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I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM
And what books that are considered literature don't use the passé simple? Françoise Sagan's Bonjour Tristesse or some such shit?

French is in fact a living language, unlike what you seem to think, and like any living language, it evolves. One of the currently ongoing evolution is the progressive disparition of the passé simple. It has largely disappeared from the spoken language (in fact, according to the little research I just did, it had already become an almost exclusively written tense in the fifties, when Druon started his series), and as a result, like Camilla said, it also isn't used in literature that wants to seem modern or resemble the way ordinary people speak, for whatever reason. That can be an indication of a more popular and less literary writing style, but it doesn't have to be; it's perfectly possible to write good literature with words that intentionally remain close to the spoken language. As time goes on, the passé simple will most likely be used still less and disappear from all new literature except that which really aims to sound old-fashioned.

What I am getting from your posts here, and if I'm wrong do tell me but that's how it comes across, is that you despise France so much that you figure for all extents and purposes it ceased to have any cultural meaning fifty years ago or more, aren't the least bit interested in contemporary French culture or even the contemporary language, and look down your nose at people who are, including (obviously) the French themselves.
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Maurice Druon - The Accursed Kings - 13/12/2010 08:19:21 PM 19536 Views
Thank you for giving this review - I had forgotten the name of the author and series. - 13/12/2010 09:29:59 PM 2129 Views
You're welcome (and thanks for the correction, edited). - 13/12/2010 10:23:55 PM 2124 Views
I know it's not "literary". (EDITED) - 13/12/2010 10:42:33 PM 2016 Views
Subjunctive imperfect, yeah. - 13/12/2010 10:51:34 PM 2097 Views
And with regard to your edit, I don't have a problem with passé simples myself. - 13/12/2010 10:53:59 PM 2434 Views
But how can one read any French literature at all without encountering the passé simple? - 15/12/2010 03:39:37 AM 2250 Views
The point is it is a "literary" tense - 15/12/2010 10:19:59 AM 2239 Views
Why would I read a lower style of book (I won't use the term "literature" to describe them) ? - 16/12/2010 06:11:36 AM 2032 Views
I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate. - 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM 2295 Views
I don't care. Start a fight. - 16/12/2010 08:24:22 PM 2212 Views
Well, or we can have a civil debate on French culture, I suppose... also fun. - 16/12/2010 09:09:20 PM 2203 Views
Well, I'm up for that, too. - 17/12/2010 05:48:39 AM 2201 Views
Good. - 17/12/2010 09:01:37 PM 2545 Views
Ah - I support the subjunctive!!! - 18/12/2010 05:10:38 AM 2398 Views
TANGENT - 18/12/2010 09:56:31 AM 2260 Views
This whole conversation is just a pile of tangents, anyway. *NM* - 18/12/2010 01:30:09 PM 1024 Views
I enjoy the tangent. - 21/12/2010 12:43:23 AM 1949 Views
But you don't think its disappearance corresponds to a decline in American culture? - 18/12/2010 01:29:43 PM 2189 Views
I read Der Zauberberg in English already. - 21/12/2010 12:48:16 AM 2008 Views
About the passé simple, what Camilla said. As for medieval vocabulary... - 15/12/2010 07:17:44 PM 2217 Views
"Ne...point" is used in Stendhal all the time. - 16/12/2010 06:08:40 AM 2066 Views
That looks like a really fascinating series. - 13/12/2010 10:56:52 PM 2133 Views
Step up your French lessons!!! - 13/12/2010 11:50:21 PM 2333 Views
That is a great reason to learn French. - 14/12/2010 07:29:54 PM 2046 Views
Re: That is a great reason to learn French. - 14/12/2010 08:13:59 PM 2033 Views
Fancier English often turns out to be French, of course. *NM* - 17/12/2010 06:41:19 PM 1090 Views
Ooooh - 14/12/2010 07:41:03 PM 1967 Views
I'm really not quite sure how you managed that. - 14/12/2010 08:09:55 PM 2119 Views
Re: I'm really not quite sure how you managed that. - 14/12/2010 08:13:48 PM 2017 Views
I meant Bertière, yeah. Dumas works too, though. - 14/12/2010 08:18:30 PM 2115 Views

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