I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM
And what books that are considered literature don't use the passé simple? Françoise Sagan's Bonjour Tristesse or some such shit?
French is in fact a living language, unlike what you seem to think, and like any living language, it evolves. One of the currently ongoing evolution is the progressive disparition of the passé simple. It has largely disappeared from the spoken language (in fact, according to the little research I just did, it had already become an almost exclusively written tense in the fifties, when Druon started his series), and as a result, like Camilla said, it also isn't used in literature that wants to seem modern or resemble the way ordinary people speak, for whatever reason. That can be an indication of a more popular and less literary writing style, but it doesn't have to be; it's perfectly possible to write good literature with words that intentionally remain close to the spoken language. As time goes on, the passé simple will most likely be used still less and disappear from all new literature except that which really aims to sound old-fashioned.
What I am getting from your posts here, and if I'm wrong do tell me but that's how it comes across, is that you despise France so much that you figure for all extents and purposes it ceased to have any cultural meaning fifty years ago or more, aren't the least bit interested in contemporary French culture or even the contemporary language, and look down your nose at people who are, including (obviously) the French themselves.
Maurice Druon - The Accursed Kings
- 13/12/2010 08:19:21 PM
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Thank you for giving this review - I had forgotten the name of the author and series.
- 13/12/2010 09:29:59 PM
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You're welcome (and thanks for the correction, edited).
- 13/12/2010 10:23:55 PM
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I know it's not "literary". (EDITED)
- 13/12/2010 10:42:33 PM
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And with regard to your edit, I don't have a problem with passé simples myself.
- 13/12/2010 10:53:59 PM
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But how can one read any French literature at all without encountering the passé simple?
- 15/12/2010 03:39:37 AM
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The point is it is a "literary" tense
- 15/12/2010 10:19:59 AM
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Why would I read a lower style of book (I won't use the term "literature" to describe them) ?
- 16/12/2010 06:11:36 AM
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I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate.
- 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM
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I don't care. Start a fight.
- 16/12/2010 08:24:22 PM
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Well, or we can have a civil debate on French culture, I suppose... also fun.
- 16/12/2010 09:09:20 PM
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- 16/12/2010 09:09:20 PM
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Well, I'm up for that, too.
- 17/12/2010 05:48:39 AM
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Good.
- 17/12/2010 09:01:37 PM
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- 17/12/2010 09:01:37 PM
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Ah - I support the subjunctive!!!
- 18/12/2010 05:10:38 AM
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TANGENT
- 18/12/2010 09:56:31 AM
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This whole conversation is just a pile of tangents, anyway.
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- 18/12/2010 01:30:09 PM
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- 18/12/2010 01:30:09 PM
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But you don't think its disappearance corresponds to a decline in American culture?
- 18/12/2010 01:29:43 PM
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- 18/12/2010 01:29:43 PM
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About the passé simple, what Camilla said. As for medieval vocabulary...
- 15/12/2010 07:17:44 PM
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That looks like a really fascinating series.
- 13/12/2010 10:56:52 PM
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Step up your French lessons!!!
- 13/12/2010 11:50:21 PM
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That is a great reason to learn French.
- 14/12/2010 07:29:54 PM
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Ooooh
- 14/12/2010 07:41:03 PM
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I'm really not quite sure how you managed that.
- 14/12/2010 08:09:55 PM
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- 14/12/2010 08:09:55 PM
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