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I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM
And what books that are considered literature don't use the passé simple? Françoise Sagan's Bonjour Tristesse or some such shit?

French is in fact a living language, unlike what you seem to think, and like any living language, it evolves. One of the currently ongoing evolution is the progressive disparition of the passé simple. It has largely disappeared from the spoken language (in fact, according to the little research I just did, it had already become an almost exclusively written tense in the fifties, when Druon started his series), and as a result, like Camilla said, it also isn't used in literature that wants to seem modern or resemble the way ordinary people speak, for whatever reason. That can be an indication of a more popular and less literary writing style, but it doesn't have to be; it's perfectly possible to write good literature with words that intentionally remain close to the spoken language. As time goes on, the passé simple will most likely be used still less and disappear from all new literature except that which really aims to sound old-fashioned.

What I am getting from your posts here, and if I'm wrong do tell me but that's how it comes across, is that you despise France so much that you figure for all extents and purposes it ceased to have any cultural meaning fifty years ago or more, aren't the least bit interested in contemporary French culture or even the contemporary language, and look down your nose at people who are, including (obviously) the French themselves.
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Maurice Druon - The Accursed Kings - 13/12/2010 08:19:21 PM 19825 Views
Thank you for giving this review - I had forgotten the name of the author and series. - 13/12/2010 09:29:59 PM 2280 Views
You're welcome (and thanks for the correction, edited). - 13/12/2010 10:23:55 PM 2269 Views
I know it's not "literary". (EDITED) - 13/12/2010 10:42:33 PM 2144 Views
Subjunctive imperfect, yeah. - 13/12/2010 10:51:34 PM 2244 Views
And with regard to your edit, I don't have a problem with passé simples myself. - 13/12/2010 10:53:59 PM 2556 Views
But how can one read any French literature at all without encountering the passé simple? - 15/12/2010 03:39:37 AM 2400 Views
The point is it is a "literary" tense - 15/12/2010 10:19:59 AM 2385 Views
Why would I read a lower style of book (I won't use the term "literature" to describe them) ? - 16/12/2010 06:11:36 AM 2155 Views
I don't want to start a fight here, but your attitude is seriously starting to grate. - 16/12/2010 06:54:30 PM 2410 Views
I don't care. Start a fight. - 16/12/2010 08:24:22 PM 2351 Views
Well, or we can have a civil debate on French culture, I suppose... also fun. - 16/12/2010 09:09:20 PM 2361 Views
Well, I'm up for that, too. - 17/12/2010 05:48:39 AM 2349 Views
Good. - 17/12/2010 09:01:37 PM 2707 Views
Ah - I support the subjunctive!!! - 18/12/2010 05:10:38 AM 2525 Views
TANGENT - 18/12/2010 09:56:31 AM 2385 Views
This whole conversation is just a pile of tangents, anyway. *NM* - 18/12/2010 01:30:09 PM 1071 Views
I enjoy the tangent. - 21/12/2010 12:43:23 AM 2068 Views
But you don't think its disappearance corresponds to a decline in American culture? - 18/12/2010 01:29:43 PM 2339 Views
I read Der Zauberberg in English already. - 21/12/2010 12:48:16 AM 2142 Views
About the passé simple, what Camilla said. As for medieval vocabulary... - 15/12/2010 07:17:44 PM 2358 Views
"Ne...point" is used in Stendhal all the time. - 16/12/2010 06:08:40 AM 2200 Views
That looks like a really fascinating series. - 13/12/2010 10:56:52 PM 2259 Views
Step up your French lessons!!! - 13/12/2010 11:50:21 PM 2477 Views
That is a great reason to learn French. - 14/12/2010 07:29:54 PM 2177 Views
Re: That is a great reason to learn French. - 14/12/2010 08:13:59 PM 2161 Views
Fancier English often turns out to be French, of course. *NM* - 17/12/2010 06:41:19 PM 1158 Views
Ooooh - 14/12/2010 07:41:03 PM 2098 Views
I'm really not quite sure how you managed that. - 14/12/2010 08:09:55 PM 2259 Views
Re: I'm really not quite sure how you managed that. - 14/12/2010 08:13:48 PM 2178 Views
I meant Bertière, yeah. Dumas works too, though. - 14/12/2010 08:18:30 PM 2255 Views

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