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I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow Send a noteboard - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM
...between the colorful, prideful world that many of the characters think they inhabit, and the brutal reality that Martin frequently reminds us of.

It's an interesting reminder of how unhealthy this universe's societies really are, and the things they do to try to hide from that fact.

Or maybe I'm reading to much into it.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 9064 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2458 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2264 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2199 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2338 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2433 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2291 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2307 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2176 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2328 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2181 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2271 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2228 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2223 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2321 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2461 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2163 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2249 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2281 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2272 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2170 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1216 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2230 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2116 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2227 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2385 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2176 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2129 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2376 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2208 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2128 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2357 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2211 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2283 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1082 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1112 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1070 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2093 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2256 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2281 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2172 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2232 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2087 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2223 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2083 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2194 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2251 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2212 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2279 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2130 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2145 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 1908 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1322 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1151 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1209 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1104 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1204 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1140 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1109 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1261 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 986 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1202 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1169 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1038 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1109 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1027 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1183 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1049 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2058 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2154 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2370 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2744 Views
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