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I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow Send a noteboard - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM
...between the colorful, prideful world that many of the characters think they inhabit, and the brutal reality that Martin frequently reminds us of.

It's an interesting reminder of how unhealthy this universe's societies really are, and the things they do to try to hide from that fact.

Or maybe I'm reading to much into it.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 20800 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2923 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2702 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2642 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2786 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2889 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2852 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2745 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2660 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2774 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2610 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2706 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2648 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2668 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2871 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2946 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2601 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2776 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2884 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2681 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2717 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1463 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2689 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2541 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2670 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2801 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2586 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2597 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2912 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2622 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2546 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2879 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2598 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2705 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1315 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1362 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1330 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2510 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2798 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2712 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2776 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2762 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2516 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2671 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2522 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2775 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2732 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2800 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2729 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2579 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2708 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2336 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1595 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1378 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1457 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1342 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1451 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1400 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1341 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1501 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1213 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1468 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1417 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1279 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1367 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1264 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1438 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1312 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2492 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2563 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2796 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 3219 Views
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