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I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen Send a noteboard - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM
I mean, I see why the show did it the way they did to get the effect they wanted (a TV show can't convey the emotional distress of Daenerys' situation as well as a running stream of consciousness in the novel), but it seems to me that Camilla's perspective has been skewed by seeing someone else's interpretation first.

In the book, Drogo does not impose himself by force, and seeks and obtains her verbal consent and even participation, at least in the part shown.


Did Dany really have the capacity to refuse? To that end, I still would consider it rape.
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Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2558 Views
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Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2299 Views
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Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2432 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2282 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2383 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2330 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2326 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2542 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2568 Views
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How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2349 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2504 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2373 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2394 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1292 Views
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Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2220 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2336 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2485 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2274 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2236 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2597 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2310 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2231 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2577 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2312 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2393 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1160 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1199 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1154 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2194 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2470 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2397 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2392 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2341 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2191 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2324 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2188 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2420 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2352 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2435 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2380 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2238 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2372 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2014 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1403 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1232 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1295 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1187 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1291 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1219 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1188 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1344 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1065 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1283 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1248 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1120 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1188 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1108 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1274 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1137 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2166 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2251 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2469 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2851 Views
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