Did Dany really have the capacity to refuse? To that end, I still would consider it rape.
It's not like Drogo has any way to be aware of such minute sensibilities, and she was not lying back and thinking of England - she actively encouraged his touch when she said yes. I haven't read that scene in years, but I recall her moving his hand to some dirty place to make her permission explicit.
And the whole issue of consent to refuse is an entirely different question in these societies. From a strictly technical PoV, Rhaegar did, in fact, rape Lyanna, because she was not in a position to lawfully or ethically give consent.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin
- 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM
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Fascinating.
- 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM
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On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM
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Re: On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM
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Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels,
- 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM
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Camilla is indeed a she.
- 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM
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Re: On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM
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How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape.
- 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM
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The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent.
- 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM
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That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant
- 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM
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- 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM
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It is not necessary to provide a scene
- 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM
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I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM*
- 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM
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I think you misread one part
- 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM
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I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book
- 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM
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"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"?
- 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM
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what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit...
- 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM
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Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit...
- 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM
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philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting
- 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM
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Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV?
- 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM
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I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast...
- 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM
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Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast...
- 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM
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I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better
- 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM
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Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better
- 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM
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I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain
- 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM
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I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent
- 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM
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A perpetrator-less crime then.
- 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM
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Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli.
- 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM
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You are missing the point.
- 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM
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The later books do add more context and change some of this
- 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM
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Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy.
- 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM
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Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM*
- 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM
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Nonsense.
- 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM
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- 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM
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Fixed it for you.
- 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM
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Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that.
- 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM
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Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM*
- 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM
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Gosh, this is really turning into something fun.
- 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM
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Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun.
*NM*
- 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM
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*NM*
- 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM
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Huh. I just came to the odd realization...
- 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM
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Don't lock it!
- 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM
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Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already.
- 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM
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That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read
- 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM
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I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour.
- 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM
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