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Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM
But in terms of the Book Club for this specific site? Well, the reason people come to this site is that they happen to appreciate a certain kind of literature, and that's probably what they're more apt to discuss here. This is where you come when you want to discuss science fiction and fantasy. That's not to say we don't read classics and "traditional" literature, but with all the websites in the world, surely there are some where people have book clubs discussing non-spec fic.

Hmmm. I am not sure I agree. I came to this site because I wanted to know what the hell was going on in on fantasy series ten years ago. I stayed because there was interesting discussion on a wide variety of subjects, including literature.


You do have a point there, but I still feel that the main reason *most* people come here is for spec fic. I am personally certainly not against discussing other things, although I tend to look like an idiot when I do, but the impression I get is that when people come to this site (wotmania turned RAFO) they are going to be most enthusiastic about the spec fic. Whether or not it's what everyone wants, I do think that's the focus of the site, and for right now at least, probably what it does best.

Ben has observed, and I am sure he is right, that we will only get new members by having a clear focus on something we are better at than the rest of the crazy internet people. But that should not exclude discussion (even organised discussion) of other subjects.

As for the extended fast food restaurant analogy: The best burgers are found in other places than Macdonalds, usually in places where they make other good food as well.


Well, yes. But people definitely get cravings for McDonald's, whether or not they make the best burgers. It's about what feels good at the moment.
Taking a break from being Ella

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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2523 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1586 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1584 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1545 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 827 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1513 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1592 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1657 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1571 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1558 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1575 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1527 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1597 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1527 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1621 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1567 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1544 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1613 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1486 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1561 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1518 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1643 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1569 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1705 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1585 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1552 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1638 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1543 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1546 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1677 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1618 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1616 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1612 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1461 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1665 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1535 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1541 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1846 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1498 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1620 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1606 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1611 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1601 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1636 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1543 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1590 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1614 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1513 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1535 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 1402 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1511 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1599 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1520 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 752 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1561 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1445 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1607 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1599 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1543 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1538 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1543 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 1446 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1516 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1714 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1596 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 702 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1622 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1589 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1530 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1477 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1463 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1541 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1560 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 1460 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1475 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1573 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1593 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1551 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1579 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1551 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1519 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1653 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1474 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1508 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1489 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1470 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 798 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1682 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1504 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1509 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1527 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1661 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1464 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1469 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1552 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1467 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1457 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1489 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1499 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 1382 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1490 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1500 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1637 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 754 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1520 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1544 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1611 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1576 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1549 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1438 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1453 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1610 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1431 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1434 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1502 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1482 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1493 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 1425 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 743 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1489 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1503 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 2104 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1439 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1589 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1534 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1630 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1509 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1664 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1523 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 1446 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1456 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1512 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1458 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1659 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1626 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1625 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1474 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 735 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1456 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1504 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1477 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1511 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1442 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1548 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 737 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1586 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1542 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 1403 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1536 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1499 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 1401 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1462 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1502 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1471 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1497 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 749 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 1433 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1609 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1515 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1581 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1530 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1552 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1519 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1516 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1517 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1482 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 830 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 756 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1488 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1490 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1460 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 807 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1568 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1437 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1494 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1561 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1513 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1524 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1474 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1536 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1465 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1674 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1571 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1593 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1441 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1436 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1614 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1510 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1511 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1573 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14494 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1580 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1543 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1582 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1628 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1512 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1569 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 662 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 793 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 773 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1482 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1427 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1494 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 767 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 795 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 774 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1550 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 1325 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1602 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1550 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1502 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1514 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 706 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 784 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1616 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1570 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1599 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1485 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1636 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1437 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1541 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1510 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1553 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1507 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 1496 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1531 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1454 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1563 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1507 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 1368 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1521 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1548 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1632 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1556 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 1433 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1452 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1431 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1471 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 1517 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1694 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1637 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1509 Views
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