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I'd like to see it Tom Send a noteboard - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM
I actually suspect the opposite of what you suspect. The reason being that book sales drive publishing, and so fluff books sell better. The genres that are going to have a higher volume are naturally sci-fi, fantasy, romance, thrillers and mysteries. Sci-fi and fantasy dominate the market by themselves, however, and a lot of what is published is derivative because it's a formula that people know will sell, just like a Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saying "Yippee kai-yay, motherfucker!" is going to sell, especially if it has lots of explosions.

The result is that books that don't hit those niche markets are unlikely to sell, and so a publisher is going to be very picky about how it allocates its non-sci-fi/fantasy resources to make sure it publishes something compelling enough to attract buyers (who are likely a different demographic altogether because the exclusively sci-fi/fantasy drones aren't likely to buy it).

In other words, it's entirely possible that the REASON there's so much crap out there is because there's a high DEMAND for that crap, but the end result is the same.
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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2010 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1087 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1053 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1077 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 534 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 981 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1058 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1119 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1062 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1022 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1077 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1005 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1043 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 981 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1041 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1052 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1022 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1116 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1004 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1038 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1019 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1092 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1080 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1164 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1074 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1029 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1120 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1041 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1042 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1186 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1126 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1124 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1084 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 961 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1132 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1007 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1047 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1251 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 944 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1141 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1064 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1117 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1107 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1179 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1033 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1061 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1061 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1015 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1051 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 911 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1014 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1078 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1030 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 497 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1103 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 988 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1128 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1061 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1033 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1058 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 997 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 937 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1029 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1191 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1097 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 447 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1134 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1029 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1004 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 949 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 951 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1028 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1085 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 966 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 991 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1077 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1012 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1053 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1062 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1025 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1034 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1124 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1004 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 985 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1016 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 992 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 545 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1144 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1064 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 991 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1009 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1159 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 963 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1004 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1017 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 965 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 979 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 993 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 968 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 904 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 959 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 996 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1076 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 513 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1006 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1046 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1110 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1025 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1037 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 956 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 954 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1078 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 954 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 944 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1012 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 988 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1003 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 920 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 489 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 960 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 997 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1589 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 966 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1107 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1019 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1103 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 999 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1139 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1020 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 913 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 951 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1022 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 959 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1108 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1112 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1102 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 980 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 496 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 971 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1020 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 971 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 991 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 948 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1022 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 458 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1012 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1054 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 945 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 989 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 962 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 916 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 954 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 987 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1006 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1013 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 499 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 936 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1043 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1005 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1089 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1052 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1051 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1020 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 996 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1018 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 987 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 529 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 492 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 971 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 979 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 968 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 523 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1099 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 986 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1012 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1065 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1015 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1024 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 994 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1010 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 976 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1106 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1089 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1076 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 956 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 951 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1071 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1033 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 997 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1073 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14020 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1034 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1039 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1096 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1093 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1034 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1073 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 424 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 548 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 513 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1029 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 943 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 995 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 524 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 510 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 517 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1000 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 827 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1124 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1060 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1064 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 983 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 448 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 525 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1119 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1067 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1032 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 983 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1135 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 945 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1026 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 985 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1043 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 989 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 927 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1036 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 952 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1079 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 960 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 854 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1013 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1055 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1122 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1032 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 945 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1012 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 976 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 961 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 952 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1160 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1099 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 993 Views
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