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Then what should it be defined as? Larry Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM
You differentiate "Southern Gothic" from a presumed "Fantasy," when I would rather be curious to see how elements of each have influenced the other. I suspect with the authors of this compiled list of suggestions, the intents were more to explore commonalities of narrative approach than trying to define anything.

Then, as Camilla said, it shouldn't have been called a "fantasy list."


I suspect much of the "failure" here for many responding would do more with a resistance to abandoning (or altering at the very least) pre-conceived notions of literary taxonomy than with any real reaction to the qualities of the stories themselves.

Yes, people on the whole don't take well to the radical altering of terms for no purpose other than self-justification. The term Fantasy doesn't need to be redefined.


I don't think there's exactly a single definition for it, but perhaps you have learned something of this while in school?
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2344 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 871 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 850 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 281 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 784 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 1037 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 774 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 856 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 884 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 927 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 617 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 739 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 794 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 698 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 766 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 813 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1122 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 831 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 800 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 269 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 368 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 809 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 826 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 841 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 961 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 905 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 609 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 771 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 675 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 881 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 799 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 702 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 637 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 670 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 673 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 819 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 771 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 685 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 788 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 813 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 883 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 671 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 901 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 604 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 750 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 634 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 807 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 717 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 985 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 726 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 373 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 738 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 872 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 836 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 403 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 922 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1132 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 653 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 847 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 744 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 709 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 642 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 1028 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 874 Views
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