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Then what should it be defined as? Larry Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM
You differentiate "Southern Gothic" from a presumed "Fantasy," when I would rather be curious to see how elements of each have influenced the other. I suspect with the authors of this compiled list of suggestions, the intents were more to explore commonalities of narrative approach than trying to define anything.

Then, as Camilla said, it shouldn't have been called a "fantasy list."


I suspect much of the "failure" here for many responding would do more with a resistance to abandoning (or altering at the very least) pre-conceived notions of literary taxonomy than with any real reaction to the qualities of the stories themselves.

Yes, people on the whole don't take well to the radical altering of terms for no purpose other than self-justification. The term Fantasy doesn't need to be redefined.


I don't think there's exactly a single definition for it, but perhaps you have learned something of this while in school?
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2261 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 794 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 771 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 244 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 702 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 952 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 702 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 761 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 801 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 848 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 538 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 668 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 700 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 629 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 685 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 740 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1020 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 753 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 715 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 236 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 330 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 732 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 747 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 760 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 872 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 826 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 537 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 690 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 603 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 799 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 717 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 618 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 539 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 600 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 592 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 745 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 695 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 613 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 710 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 747 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 789 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 598 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 829 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 530 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 679 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 549 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 731 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 645 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 915 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 651 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 347 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 662 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 802 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 774 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 363 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 850 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1061 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 573 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 775 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 669 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 620 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 559 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 931 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 797 Views
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