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I think one important question to ask is... Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 12:00:17 AM
how many of the people who like the book have actually read the unabridged version? Does anybody have any clue how the percentages stand on that? And do the abridged versions abridge enough to make the apparently (yes, I haven't gotten around to reading this either... anyone seeing a pattern?) impressive dragging-out and delaying techniques more palatable, or perhaps even absent entirely?

Anyway, Dumas kind of seems to have an odd position in the literary canon - his works don't really have the literary strength to be in there, but somehow he has a name recognition and fame that few other writers have. I think it's because he's just that good at the adventure novel, usually with a heavy historical fiction background, even if real depth is only occasionally there. Passion, adventure, intrigue, romance, humour, it's all in there, in a mix that wasn't as classic and cliché at the time as it is now. Le Comte de Monte Cristo has that heavy dominating theme of vengeance, of course, but also the prison-escape part (which evidently remains a fascinating topic to this day) and all the charades. Now I'm wondering if there is a link from Dumas to Arsène Lupin, the great "gentleman-thief" of French crime fiction in the late nineteenth century, and master of disguises... probably. I should probably also stop rambling. ;)
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The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas - Book Club now open! - 25/01/2010 10:54:37 PM 2867 Views
Le plot. - 25/01/2010 10:55:26 PM 1634 Views
Plot: demarcation, plan, complot... - 26/01/2010 11:48:19 PM 1804 Views
Les characters. - 25/01/2010 10:56:23 PM 1732 Views
The good, the bad and the ugly. - 26/01/2010 10:54:38 AM 1759 Views
Hmm. - 27/01/2010 03:58:31 PM 1689 Views
Re: Hmm. - 27/01/2010 04:59:12 PM 1719 Views
Re: Hmm. - 28/01/2010 01:40:34 PM 1664 Views
Re: Hmm. - 01/02/2010 12:49:06 PM 1902 Views
Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 25/01/2010 10:57:37 PM 1698 Views
Or rather, does this book share any traits in common with pornography? - 25/01/2010 11:14:01 PM 1846 Views
I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 03:43:04 AM 1755 Views
Re: I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 11:12:19 AM 1790 Views
In that case, the "release" is quite unsatisfying. - 27/01/2010 01:42:28 PM 1944 Views
Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 02:06:58 PM 1805 Views
Oh, and your point on revenge - that's just reading too much into the text. - 27/01/2010 02:16:05 PM 1638 Views
There is no such thing - 27/01/2010 02:18:46 PM 1677 Views
I fundamentally disagree with your post-modern take on the novel. - 27/01/2010 02:25:25 PM 1741 Views
It isn't a postmodern take on it - 27/01/2010 02:41:32 PM 1707 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 03:40:36 PM 1697 Views
Maybe it's of the same importance as the Lost Symbol. - 27/01/2010 03:44:55 PM 1750 Views
If I ddin't know better, I might think you a trifle petulant - 27/01/2010 04:19:57 PM 1788 Views
I'm never petulant - 27/01/2010 04:55:56 PM 1637 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 04:47:37 PM 1808 Views
I think one important question to ask is... - 26/01/2010 12:00:17 AM 1784 Views
I have read the abridged version a couple of times. I am reading the unabridged version this time. - 26/01/2010 03:25:50 AM 1748 Views
the potentially removable part... - 26/01/2010 11:24:16 AM 1770 Views
I have read both - 27/01/2010 01:37:00 AM 1796 Views
The abridged versus the unabridged - 28/01/2010 06:32:22 AM 1746 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 27/01/2010 01:16:47 AM 1897 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 30/01/2010 09:12:22 AM 1730 Views
Re: I got here too late, so I offer Umberto Eco's thoughts on the matter: - 22/02/2010 06:59:13 PM 1933 Views
I'm watching right back, Big Brother. *NM* - 25/01/2010 11:44:30 PM 900 Views
*NM* - 25/01/2010 11:45:27 PM 887 Views
The book was very childish. - 26/01/2010 03:05:01 AM 1879 Views
Granted, The Master and Margarita is also very much a fantasy book. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:07:45 AM 931 Views
No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 03:10:08 AM 1764 Views
You know, this is a problem. - 26/01/2010 03:43:14 AM 1771 Views
There's really nothing I can say to this that Greg didn't just say above. - 26/01/2010 06:32:02 AM 1844 Views
People tend to forget one thing about Tolkien - 26/01/2010 01:36:06 PM 1713 Views
Re: No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 10:57:19 AM 1702 Views
I'll admit the only Lem I've read is Solaris... - 26/01/2010 01:52:02 PM 1790 Views
Read His Master's Voice - 26/01/2010 04:52:31 PM 1696 Views
You make some rather odd claims here, Tom - 27/01/2010 12:43:41 AM 1798 Views
You place undue importance on academic degrees. - 27/01/2010 01:19:40 AM 1775 Views
You misread totally what I said, I see... - 27/01/2010 01:52:59 AM 1680 Views
My claims are far from odd. In fact, they're quite common. - 27/01/2010 01:57:41 AM 1755 Views
In some circles; in others, they're rather antiquated nowadays - 27/01/2010 02:21:03 AM 1711 Views
If you were trying to write literature, wouldn't the label sting for you? - 27/01/2010 01:25:14 PM 1713 Views
I think it's easier to think of stories fitting into genre(s) than to think the same of authors - 27/01/2010 02:40:29 PM 1813 Views
Allow me to clarify: I'm talking about authors' reactions to their books being so labelled. - 27/01/2010 03:08:47 PM 1846 Views
But yet their reactions vary widely - 27/01/2010 11:33:25 PM 1717 Views
My fundamental premise is that genre has the most utility when applied to derivative fiction. - 28/01/2010 09:39:17 PM 1730 Views
And yet that term is mostly used as a non-loaded term that doesn't attempt to ascribe quality levels - 29/01/2010 02:49:20 AM 1641 Views
I like my definition of science fiction better than the one you quoted. - 29/01/2010 05:16:36 AM 1692 Views
I think estrangement is a key element, though - 30/01/2010 11:00:19 PM 1719 Views
I don't think estrangement is a necessary element. - 30/01/2010 11:47:07 PM 1815 Views
I mean it as a literary effect, that of creating a distance between text and reader - 31/01/2010 12:03:34 AM 1692 Views
Even if that's the meaning, I still disagree. - 03/02/2010 12:49:58 AM 1649 Views
Depends on how you view SF, I suppose - 03/02/2010 04:20:56 AM 1490 Views
I thought that was what we were mulling over - 03/02/2010 04:38:35 AM 1672 Views
True - 03/02/2010 05:11:19 AM 1612 Views
Nice tie-in! - 03/02/2010 01:55:33 PM 1693 Views
- 05/02/2010 06:06:23 AM 1709 Views
The approve of this message. - 26/01/2010 03:34:49 AM 1761 Views
I'm not through it quite yet, but I do have a question - 26/01/2010 12:24:14 PM 1672 Views
Wait...you VOTED for this book? - 26/01/2010 01:41:00 PM 1727 Views
I honestly can't remember. - 26/01/2010 01:55:39 PM 1681 Views
Doctor Zhivago is one of the best novels ever written. - 26/01/2010 02:12:35 PM 1716 Views
Right, so now we all know that if we'd just listen to me more often, the world would be better. - 26/01/2010 02:20:56 PM 1686 Views
The problem was that the suggestions were generally not that good. - 26/01/2010 02:32:50 PM 1752 Views
Possession is not "purely a romance novel". - 26/01/2010 02:57:17 PM 1879 Views
Which basically proves my entire point. - 26/01/2010 03:00:20 PM 1750 Views
Which is purely a romance novel? - 26/01/2010 02:59:38 PM 1744 Views
Fair enough, it might be a bit tricky to discuss. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:04:58 PM 889 Views
In your opinion - 26/01/2010 03:07:12 PM 1775 Views
Exactly why I avoid suggesting modern books - 26/01/2010 03:10:09 PM 1755 Views
You really are ignornant of what A.S. Byatt writes, aren't you? - 27/01/2010 12:51:00 AM 1731 Views
Oh, I fucking hate epistolary novels. Thank you for warning me. - 27/01/2010 02:00:34 AM 1627 Views
Ha! - 27/01/2010 02:22:00 AM 1697 Views
Perhaps I would like it. I still hate epistolary novels. - 27/01/2010 01:26:43 PM 1747 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 02:01:22 PM 878 Views
It's funny because I think it's a question of taste level. - 26/01/2010 02:32:08 PM 1791 Views
Curious George is a tale of many layers, as told by Werner Herzog - 26/01/2010 02:34:27 PM 1855 Views
I don't care if this validates your opinion of me. - 29/01/2010 11:06:18 PM 1605 Views
On what basis? - 26/01/2010 02:51:40 PM 1772 Views
It's a children's book. Get over it. Democracy failed. - 26/01/2010 02:55:03 PM 1800 Views
Usually does, when those who know better keep silent. - 26/01/2010 02:57:54 PM 1701 Views
I didn't keep silent, though. - 26/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 1772 Views
You're ignoring what we've been discussing. - 27/01/2010 11:11:44 AM 1727 Views
Regarding comfort zones - 26/01/2010 05:08:50 PM 1796 Views
Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 05:40:08 PM 1841 Views
Re: Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 09:10:47 PM 1804 Views
If that's your goal, Camilla, you failed. - 27/01/2010 01:35:52 PM 1860 Views
Possibly - 27/01/2010 01:38:39 PM 1683 Views
I have not been ranting and raving. I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:45:05 PM 1717 Views
Re: I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:53:28 PM 1692 Views
I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:26:12 PM 1854 Views
Don't you get it? We bring this place down. - 27/01/2010 02:42:32 PM 1686 Views
Re: I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:43:11 PM 1702 Views
While that was not the intent, that is an added bonus. - 27/01/2010 02:48:47 PM 1698 Views
why is it a bonus? - 27/01/2010 02:52:58 PM 1654 Views
I said see above. You should have before the thought police, Rebekah, started to delete. - 27/01/2010 02:59:07 PM 1937 Views
I did - 27/01/2010 04:40:25 PM 1702 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:57:03 AM 1800 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:59:31 AM 1746 Views
Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:07:14 PM 1692 Views
Re: Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:09:02 PM 1715 Views
Re: The book was very childish. - 30/01/2010 09:56:29 PM 1720 Views
I read it in French - 30/01/2010 10:54:34 PM 1609 Views
So. I really liked it. - 26/01/2010 08:57:02 AM 1891 Views
Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:04:23 PM 1687 Views
Re: Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:49:03 PM 1753 Views
We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:14:21 AM 1824 Views
Re: We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:37:04 AM 1851 Views
If you do that, I'm posting on the deeper meaning of Dan Brown. - 27/01/2010 01:46:35 PM 1807 Views
Feel free to. - 27/01/2010 01:51:23 PM 1784 Views
Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:28:56 PM 1713 Views
Re: Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:45:41 PM 1784 Views
I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm challenging your touchy-feely approach. - 27/01/2010 03:15:00 PM 1615 Views
My touchy-feely approach? - 27/01/2010 05:09:04 PM 1708 Views
Yes...using passing references in the text to justify a deeper analysis. - 27/01/2010 05:16:10 PM 1712 Views
Doesn't touchy-feely mean that it is steeped in or based on emotion? - 27/01/2010 06:40:31 PM 1699 Views
I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 07:01:08 PM 1667 Views
You summed up my reasons for using "touchy-feely" quite well. - 27/01/2010 07:27:45 PM 1704 Views
Glad to hear it. - 27/01/2010 07:39:20 PM 1558 Views
Re: I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 08:29:32 PM 1743 Views
See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 08:57:18 PM 1802 Views
Re: See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 09:09:47 PM 1725 Views
Well, so what will it be? - 27/01/2010 09:14:53 PM 1642 Views
Er. Whose position are you arguing - mine or yours? - 27/01/2010 10:33:01 PM 1602 Views
Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 01:55:23 PM 1841 Views
Re: Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 02:10:04 PM 1729 Views
Right then. - 27/01/2010 02:15:04 PM 1684 Views
All righty, that's enough of that. For Tom, Greg, and... no, pretty much just you two. - 27/01/2010 04:33:00 PM 1774 Views
And ANOTHER THING - 27/01/2010 05:05:17 PM 1615 Views
Not everyone has finished reading it yet *NM* - 27/01/2010 05:12:10 PM 971 Views
Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 05:17:51 PM 1769 Views
Re: Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 06:41:11 PM 1739 Views
We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 07:30:49 PM 1666 Views
In the interest of discussing Dumas' intentions... - 27/01/2010 08:03:24 PM 1831 Views
It was mildly interesting. - 27/01/2010 09:04:03 PM 1758 Views
I think you're misreading that... - 27/01/2010 10:18:11 PM 1815 Views
Re: We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 08:30:19 PM 1801 Views
The text doesn't warrant "close attention" any more than Dan Brown's works do. - 27/01/2010 09:10:45 PM 1680 Views
fine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:12:44 PM 897 Views
Also, do you think a good book would have generated this level of discussion? Of course not. - 27/01/2010 05:21:45 PM 1718 Views
What discussion? - 27/01/2010 06:42:32 PM 1715 Views
I said that we couldn't discuss the book on its own terms. - 27/01/2010 07:35:32 PM 1816 Views
Which I still think we can. - 27/01/2010 08:35:35 PM 1689 Views
Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:06:59 PM 1780 Views
Re: Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:12:22 PM 1730 Views
You have yet to show any utility for breaking things down. - 27/01/2010 09:19:29 PM 1855 Views
I haven't tried to show any "utility" for it. - 01/02/2010 01:06:35 PM 1650 Views
I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 27/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 1693 Views
Re: I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 01/02/2010 12:56:03 PM 1652 Views
Deary me. - 27/01/2010 05:19:58 PM 1916 Views
By "respect" do you mean that you want me to drop my debates? - 27/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 1676 Views
Not at all. - 27/01/2010 05:35:34 PM 1824 Views
Okay, I'm cool with that. - 27/01/2010 05:44:54 PM 1811 Views
Thank you. - 27/01/2010 05:48:05 PM 2386 Views
Please ban me, then. - 27/01/2010 06:44:55 PM 1642 Views
Nods - 18/02/2010 05:06:44 PM 2155 Views
Oh man, I love this thread. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:17:58 AM 872 Views
On the nature of the "Book Club" - 28/01/2010 09:23:23 PM 1587 Views
Any chance of seeing some shorter suggestions? - 28/01/2010 10:20:59 PM 1830 Views
Yes, shorter would be good. - 28/01/2010 10:23:28 PM 1655 Views
Oh i'm not complaining - 28/01/2010 10:33:48 PM 1668 Views
Sure sounded like it. - 28/01/2010 10:38:27 PM 1707 Views
No for reals, shorter is good. - 29/01/2010 01:08:26 AM 1697 Views
Absolutely. - 29/01/2010 03:33:15 AM 1645 Views
Agreed - 29/01/2010 11:26:34 AM 1685 Views
Well, you should have known better! - 29/01/2010 01:29:40 AM 1680 Views
I do. - 29/01/2010 08:31:30 PM 1683 Views
Thought you did - 29/01/2010 08:38:39 PM 1647 Views
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All I can say is The Master and Margarita better be one by March. WE WAS ROBBED. *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:31:48 AM 863 Views
That is the other one that I am considering. *NM* - 29/01/2010 03:32:02 AM 884 Views
I'll re-read Zhivago or Master if either is chosen - 29/01/2010 05:26:02 AM 1653 Views
Talk to me Ghavrel. - 30/01/2010 12:09:24 AM 1609 Views
Well, I haven't finished it yet. - 30/01/2010 02:21:08 AM 1671 Views
Re: On the nature of the "Book Club" - 29/01/2010 12:33:03 PM 1624 Views
I didn't read it for the Book Club - 29/01/2010 12:40:22 AM 1663 Views
Well I'm late to the party - 29/01/2010 06:21:18 AM 1661 Views
No, you're early - 01/02/2010 01:26:10 PM 1592 Views
I still have yet to see that discussion, Camilla. *NM* - 03/02/2010 12:46:24 AM 927 Views
A few comments - 04/02/2010 06:39:18 AM 1941 Views
If I kept you from participating, that's your fault. - 04/02/2010 01:01:46 PM 1622 Views
An interesting quote from the book - does it jibe with your experience? - 29/01/2010 11:23:54 PM 1679 Views
Sure. - 01/02/2010 03:23:59 PM 1655 Views

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