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The abridged versus the unabridged Ryan Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 06:32:22 AM
Hands down I think for the casual reader the abridged version wins. It cuts out the fluff, promotes the innate sense of laziness in humanity, and spares the drivel. I've read both, and I had a tough time chewing through the endless fat and drivel of the unabirdged version. Though the later does require work to get through it.

Honestly it is one of those rare books that if the unabridged versions were lost to history forever it wouldn't be such a crime.

As for the ending I found it very unsatisfying. Once you get past the escape the story just looses steam in my opinion.
The past is just that, the past. You can only truly live by looking to the future!
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Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 25/01/2010 10:57:37 PM 1223 Views
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I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 03:43:04 AM 1253 Views
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In that case, the "release" is quite unsatisfying. - 27/01/2010 01:42:28 PM 1412 Views
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Oh, and your point on revenge - that's just reading too much into the text. - 27/01/2010 02:16:05 PM 1136 Views
There is no such thing - 27/01/2010 02:18:46 PM 1188 Views
I fundamentally disagree with your post-modern take on the novel. - 27/01/2010 02:25:25 PM 1239 Views
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I think one important question to ask is... - 26/01/2010 12:00:17 AM 1286 Views
I have read the abridged version a couple of times. I am reading the unabridged version this time. - 26/01/2010 03:25:50 AM 1233 Views
the potentially removable part... - 26/01/2010 11:24:16 AM 1301 Views
I have read both - 27/01/2010 01:37:00 AM 1313 Views
The abridged versus the unabridged - 28/01/2010 06:32:22 AM 1227 Views
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I'm watching right back, Big Brother. *NM* - 25/01/2010 11:44:30 PM 631 Views
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The book was very childish. - 26/01/2010 03:05:01 AM 1349 Views
Granted, The Master and Margarita is also very much a fantasy book. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:07:45 AM 650 Views
No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 03:10:08 AM 1297 Views
You know, this is a problem. - 26/01/2010 03:43:14 AM 1279 Views
There's really nothing I can say to this that Greg didn't just say above. - 26/01/2010 06:32:02 AM 1342 Views
People tend to forget one thing about Tolkien - 26/01/2010 01:36:06 PM 1269 Views
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I'll admit the only Lem I've read is Solaris... - 26/01/2010 01:52:02 PM 1292 Views
Read His Master's Voice - 26/01/2010 04:52:31 PM 1208 Views
You make some rather odd claims here, Tom - 27/01/2010 12:43:41 AM 1295 Views
You place undue importance on academic degrees. - 27/01/2010 01:19:40 AM 1277 Views
You misread totally what I said, I see... - 27/01/2010 01:52:59 AM 1200 Views
My claims are far from odd. In fact, they're quite common. - 27/01/2010 01:57:41 AM 1259 Views
In some circles; in others, they're rather antiquated nowadays - 27/01/2010 02:21:03 AM 1193 Views
If you were trying to write literature, wouldn't the label sting for you? - 27/01/2010 01:25:14 PM 1252 Views
I think it's easier to think of stories fitting into genre(s) than to think the same of authors - 27/01/2010 02:40:29 PM 1319 Views
Allow me to clarify: I'm talking about authors' reactions to their books being so labelled. - 27/01/2010 03:08:47 PM 1356 Views
But yet their reactions vary widely - 27/01/2010 11:33:25 PM 1234 Views
My fundamental premise is that genre has the most utility when applied to derivative fiction. - 28/01/2010 09:39:17 PM 1221 Views
And yet that term is mostly used as a non-loaded term that doesn't attempt to ascribe quality levels - 29/01/2010 02:49:20 AM 1129 Views
I like my definition of science fiction better than the one you quoted. - 29/01/2010 05:16:36 AM 1195 Views
I think estrangement is a key element, though - 30/01/2010 11:00:19 PM 1174 Views
I don't think estrangement is a necessary element. - 30/01/2010 11:47:07 PM 1373 Views
I mean it as a literary effect, that of creating a distance between text and reader - 31/01/2010 12:03:34 AM 1170 Views
Even if that's the meaning, I still disagree. - 03/02/2010 12:49:58 AM 1171 Views
Depends on how you view SF, I suppose - 03/02/2010 04:20:56 AM 1044 Views
I thought that was what we were mulling over - 03/02/2010 04:38:35 AM 1165 Views
True - 03/02/2010 05:11:19 AM 1106 Views
Nice tie-in! - 03/02/2010 01:55:33 PM 1158 Views
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The approve of this message. - 26/01/2010 03:34:49 AM 1270 Views
I'm not through it quite yet, but I do have a question - 26/01/2010 12:24:14 PM 1180 Views
Wait...you VOTED for this book? - 26/01/2010 01:41:00 PM 1246 Views
I honestly can't remember. - 26/01/2010 01:55:39 PM 1199 Views
Doctor Zhivago is one of the best novels ever written. - 26/01/2010 02:12:35 PM 1215 Views
Right, so now we all know that if we'd just listen to me more often, the world would be better. - 26/01/2010 02:20:56 PM 1230 Views
The problem was that the suggestions were generally not that good. - 26/01/2010 02:32:50 PM 1270 Views
Possession is not "purely a romance novel". - 26/01/2010 02:57:17 PM 1381 Views
Which basically proves my entire point. - 26/01/2010 03:00:20 PM 1259 Views
Which is purely a romance novel? - 26/01/2010 02:59:38 PM 1258 Views
Fair enough, it might be a bit tricky to discuss. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:04:58 PM 634 Views
In your opinion - 26/01/2010 03:07:12 PM 1264 Views
Exactly why I avoid suggesting modern books - 26/01/2010 03:10:09 PM 1247 Views
You really are ignornant of what A.S. Byatt writes, aren't you? - 27/01/2010 12:51:00 AM 1233 Views
Oh, I fucking hate epistolary novels. Thank you for warning me. - 27/01/2010 02:00:34 AM 1142 Views
Ha! - 27/01/2010 02:22:00 AM 1204 Views
Perhaps I would like it. I still hate epistolary novels. - 27/01/2010 01:26:43 PM 1230 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 02:01:22 PM 574 Views
It's funny because I think it's a question of taste level. - 26/01/2010 02:32:08 PM 1327 Views
Curious George is a tale of many layers, as told by Werner Herzog - 26/01/2010 02:34:27 PM 1346 Views
I don't care if this validates your opinion of me. - 29/01/2010 11:06:18 PM 1130 Views
On what basis? - 26/01/2010 02:51:40 PM 1283 Views
It's a children's book. Get over it. Democracy failed. - 26/01/2010 02:55:03 PM 1277 Views
Usually does, when those who know better keep silent. - 26/01/2010 02:57:54 PM 1194 Views
I didn't keep silent, though. - 26/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 1266 Views
You're ignoring what we've been discussing. - 27/01/2010 11:11:44 AM 1239 Views
Regarding comfort zones - 26/01/2010 05:08:50 PM 1314 Views
Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 05:40:08 PM 1294 Views
Re: Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 09:10:47 PM 1289 Views
If that's your goal, Camilla, you failed. - 27/01/2010 01:35:52 PM 1354 Views
Possibly - 27/01/2010 01:38:39 PM 1218 Views
I have not been ranting and raving. I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:45:05 PM 1224 Views
Re: I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:53:28 PM 1208 Views
I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:26:12 PM 1345 Views
Don't you get it? We bring this place down. - 27/01/2010 02:42:32 PM 1188 Views
Re: I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:43:11 PM 1204 Views
While that was not the intent, that is an added bonus. - 27/01/2010 02:48:47 PM 1202 Views
why is it a bonus? - 27/01/2010 02:52:58 PM 1169 Views
I said see above. You should have before the thought police, Rebekah, started to delete. - 27/01/2010 02:59:07 PM 1444 Views
I did - 27/01/2010 04:40:25 PM 1227 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:57:03 AM 1261 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:59:31 AM 1212 Views
Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:07:14 PM 1221 Views
Re: Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:09:02 PM 1232 Views
Re: The book was very childish. - 30/01/2010 09:56:29 PM 1232 Views
I read it in French - 30/01/2010 10:54:34 PM 1123 Views
So. I really liked it. - 26/01/2010 08:57:02 AM 1328 Views
Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:04:23 PM 1217 Views
Re: Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:49:03 PM 1249 Views
We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:14:21 AM 1340 Views
Re: We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:37:04 AM 1328 Views
If you do that, I'm posting on the deeper meaning of Dan Brown. - 27/01/2010 01:46:35 PM 1313 Views
Feel free to. - 27/01/2010 01:51:23 PM 1274 Views
Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:28:56 PM 1242 Views
Re: Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:45:41 PM 1262 Views
I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm challenging your touchy-feely approach. - 27/01/2010 03:15:00 PM 1152 Views
My touchy-feely approach? - 27/01/2010 05:09:04 PM 1169 Views
Yes...using passing references in the text to justify a deeper analysis. - 27/01/2010 05:16:10 PM 1223 Views
Doesn't touchy-feely mean that it is steeped in or based on emotion? - 27/01/2010 06:40:31 PM 1183 Views
I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 07:01:08 PM 1195 Views
You summed up my reasons for using "touchy-feely" quite well. - 27/01/2010 07:27:45 PM 1188 Views
Glad to hear it. - 27/01/2010 07:39:20 PM 1074 Views
Re: I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 08:29:32 PM 1253 Views
See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 08:57:18 PM 1299 Views
Re: See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 09:09:47 PM 1209 Views
Well, so what will it be? - 27/01/2010 09:14:53 PM 1153 Views
Er. Whose position are you arguing - mine or yours? - 27/01/2010 10:33:01 PM 1090 Views
Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 01:55:23 PM 1332 Views
Re: Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 02:10:04 PM 1229 Views
Right then. - 27/01/2010 02:15:04 PM 1194 Views
All righty, that's enough of that. For Tom, Greg, and... no, pretty much just you two. - 27/01/2010 04:33:00 PM 1258 Views
And ANOTHER THING - 27/01/2010 05:05:17 PM 1130 Views
Not everyone has finished reading it yet *NM* - 27/01/2010 05:12:10 PM 680 Views
Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 05:17:51 PM 1282 Views
Re: Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 06:41:11 PM 1239 Views
We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 07:30:49 PM 1165 Views
In the interest of discussing Dumas' intentions... - 27/01/2010 08:03:24 PM 1328 Views
It was mildly interesting. - 27/01/2010 09:04:03 PM 1277 Views
I think you're misreading that... - 27/01/2010 10:18:11 PM 1307 Views
Re: We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 08:30:19 PM 1297 Views
The text doesn't warrant "close attention" any more than Dan Brown's works do. - 27/01/2010 09:10:45 PM 1171 Views
fine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:12:44 PM 614 Views
Also, do you think a good book would have generated this level of discussion? Of course not. - 27/01/2010 05:21:45 PM 1209 Views
What discussion? - 27/01/2010 06:42:32 PM 1239 Views
I said that we couldn't discuss the book on its own terms. - 27/01/2010 07:35:32 PM 1319 Views
Which I still think we can. - 27/01/2010 08:35:35 PM 1198 Views
Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:06:59 PM 1309 Views
Re: Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:12:22 PM 1259 Views
You have yet to show any utility for breaking things down. - 27/01/2010 09:19:29 PM 1319 Views
I haven't tried to show any "utility" for it. - 01/02/2010 01:06:35 PM 1156 Views
I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 27/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 1225 Views
Re: I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 01/02/2010 12:56:03 PM 1134 Views
Deary me. - 27/01/2010 05:19:58 PM 1411 Views
By "respect" do you mean that you want me to drop my debates? - 27/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 1162 Views
Not at all. - 27/01/2010 05:35:34 PM 1354 Views
Okay, I'm cool with that. - 27/01/2010 05:44:54 PM 1325 Views
Thank you. - 27/01/2010 05:48:05 PM 1720 Views
Please ban me, then. - 27/01/2010 06:44:55 PM 1175 Views
Nods - 18/02/2010 05:06:44 PM 1657 Views
Oh man, I love this thread. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:17:58 AM 600 Views
On the nature of the "Book Club" - 28/01/2010 09:23:23 PM 1077 Views
Any chance of seeing some shorter suggestions? - 28/01/2010 10:20:59 PM 1300 Views
Yes, shorter would be good. - 28/01/2010 10:23:28 PM 1154 Views
Oh i'm not complaining - 28/01/2010 10:33:48 PM 1168 Views
Sure sounded like it. - 28/01/2010 10:38:27 PM 1223 Views
No for reals, shorter is good. - 29/01/2010 01:08:26 AM 1198 Views
Absolutely. - 29/01/2010 03:33:15 AM 1136 Views
Agreed - 29/01/2010 11:26:34 AM 1225 Views
Well, you should have known better! - 29/01/2010 01:29:40 AM 1197 Views
I do. - 29/01/2010 08:31:30 PM 1185 Views
Thought you did - 29/01/2010 08:38:39 PM 1167 Views
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All I can say is The Master and Margarita better be one by March. WE WAS ROBBED. *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:31:48 AM 582 Views
That is the other one that I am considering. *NM* - 29/01/2010 03:32:02 AM 600 Views
I'll re-read Zhivago or Master if either is chosen - 29/01/2010 05:26:02 AM 1153 Views
Talk to me Ghavrel. - 30/01/2010 12:09:24 AM 1107 Views
Well, I haven't finished it yet. - 30/01/2010 02:21:08 AM 1168 Views
Re: On the nature of the "Book Club" - 29/01/2010 12:33:03 PM 1157 Views
I didn't read it for the Book Club - 29/01/2010 12:40:22 AM 1162 Views
Well I'm late to the party - 29/01/2010 06:21:18 AM 1134 Views
No, you're early - 01/02/2010 01:26:10 PM 1035 Views
I still have yet to see that discussion, Camilla. *NM* - 03/02/2010 12:46:24 AM 642 Views
A few comments - 04/02/2010 06:39:18 AM 1475 Views
If I kept you from participating, that's your fault. - 04/02/2010 01:01:46 PM 1122 Views
An interesting quote from the book - does it jibe with your experience? - 29/01/2010 11:23:54 PM 1220 Views
Sure. - 01/02/2010 03:23:59 PM 1177 Views

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