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Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM
So I guess I have to amend my initial thoughts, and side with you. Tolkien is only slightly sexist, in the fact that he was writing these books several decades ago, when sentiments were different, especially in the Oxford crowd, and because he was writing a history- mythological aside. It is interesting to note that most of his women are "equals" when they are powerful. In a way, he has one up on modern feminist lore, simply by the fact that he is able to write the women as equals, and doesn't have to go to extremes to represent their strengths. I do see where you are coming from, Legolas, and I concur for the most part; I just wish there was some variety, because Tolkien writes of numerous men that aren't married that are influential. Now, he could be writing them as homosexual characters, which is fitting because they're all outcasts in a way:

Gandalf, Sauron, Radaghast are all maiar that went into
voluntary exile to raise the newest children of Middle-Earth
(men); Saruman, the misunderstood adopted son of a twisted and
envious god; Frodo, Bilbo the two biggest queens on Baggins
street (Might as well be Frodo Tea-Baggins); Merry, Pippin, The
Shapeshifter in the mountains that provides shelter to the
company before and after Bilbo gets lost and meets Golum....oh,
and Golum himself.

But this is never explicitly mentioned, or even really insinuated in the book series, so I digress. I just like my powerful women, damn it. Why not have Galadriel be a diademed battle lord? She's a beast.

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The greatest King in Fantasy - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 2134 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1529 Views
I would argue with you. - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1472 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1497 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1487 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1540 Views
when I read the actual book... - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1514 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1570 Views
My money is still on Aragorn - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1620 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1466 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1436 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1504 Views
Hm - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1552 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1434 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1707 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1562 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1443 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1574 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1470 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1543 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1600 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1604 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1734 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1507 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1492 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1490 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1624 Views
I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1439 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1450 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1541 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1553 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1424 Views
Exactly. - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1540 Views
Re: Exactly. - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1618 Views
I was going to say something similar. - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1467 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1440 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1459 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1764 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1520 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1371 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1481 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1627 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1455 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1431 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1462 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 741 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1520 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 703 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1456 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 712 Views
ROFL *NM* - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 671 Views
Artur Hawkwing - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1625 Views
??? - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 2050 Views
Simba *NM* - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 768 Views
Manwe - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1937 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 837 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1534 Views
Westley - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1488 Views
Leto Atreides II - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1408 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 700 Views

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