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??? Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM
What other king can claim the military conquests of Artur Paendrag Tanreal, or his legal achievements as a head of state? Not to mention, he's the greatest man in his age, when he is an ordinary mortal with no superpowers, in a world dominated by people with powers, where his gender's dominance is undone by that very same lack of powers. He would have stood out as a real world mundane ruler, but he also forestalled a massive crisis by confronting the arch-evil power of Darkness. The Trolloc invasion Hawkwing stopped WOULD have conquered the world if he had not beat them, as we see in the portal stone world. What took the Compact of the Ten Nations, with the White Tower at its peak of strength and power decades to do, and ruined themselves in the process, was prevented by Hawkwing by himself. Hawkwing not only kicked ass as an ordinary guy, he took on the super-powered folks and would have won, if not for the supertitious subjects who were cowed into helping them. 1,000 years after his death, one of the scariest things you can threaten the White Tower with is "another Hawkwing."


Except that half of Hawkwing's greatness had to do with his supernatural power that bent reality to his will. Even if this is excusable, after his first wife died he became a tyrant and it was only through the intervention of his second wife that the world survived his wrath. Secondly, he became a puppet for one of the Forsaken, and died a madman.
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The greatest King in Fantasy Dannymac - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 1992 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1375 Views
I would argue with you. Dannymac - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1338 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1376 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1377 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1392 Views
when I read the actual book... LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1392 Views
"The actual character"? Which of the countless different ones? *NM* Legolas - 10/04/2010 12:21:00 AM 657 Views
i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:51:44 AM 1469 Views
There isn't an "actual book." Le Morte d'Arthur is a relatively early compilation of legends. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 03:09:40 AM 700 Views
Re: i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:17:12 AM 1388 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1422 Views
My money is still on Aragorn Camilla - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1489 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1353 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1316 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1374 Views
Hm nossy - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1423 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. Legolas - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1319 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1576 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. Legolas - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1423 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1317 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate imlad - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1408 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1328 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1415 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1476 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Camilla - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1487 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. Legolas - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1589 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1372 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1337 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1376 Views
Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:55:23 PM 1387 Views
Re: Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 07:04:37 PM 1391 Views
thought of a better example: Arien the Maia of the Sun was single and far more powerful than Tilion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 09:17:34 PM 1624 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. imlad - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1483 Views
That was my first assumption too, but evidently not. *NM* Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:22:39 PM 639 Views
I changed it to Livia Augusta Sheesh, you people-- a guy mistypes one time!! *NM* lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:29:03 PM 701 Views
I call bullshit Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1320 Views
Re: I call bullshit lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1345 Views
Re: I call bullshit Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1426 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1420 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. Camilla - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1287 Views
Exactly. Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1402 Views
Re: Exactly. Camilla - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1481 Views
I was going to say something similar. nossy - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1342 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1328 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1344 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1623 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1389 Views
As in, there are many important aspects of being king he doesn't have to face. Legolas - 09/04/2010 08:07:16 PM 1370 Views
well technically speaking he WAS the king when he did all those things. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:15:26 AM 1379 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1235 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1326 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1489 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1287 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though random thoughts - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1289 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1340 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* ironclad - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 671 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! imlad - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1404 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 641 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1354 Views
Rohan was a whiny hypocritical bitch who failed at the only real test of rulership he ever faced. Cannoli - 10/04/2010 02:51:34 AM 1403 Views
That actually slipped my mind. I can't believe that. Myrdhyn - 16/04/2010 04:44:46 PM 1434 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* Kotagg - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 644 Views
ROFL *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 623 Views
Artur Hawkwing Cannoli - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1504 Views
Alexander the Great? *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 05:08:25 AM 670 Views
AH conquered more, did better, & was not a huge d-bag. Alex would have commissioned that big statue *NM* Cannoli - 12/04/2010 03:00:39 PM 647 Views
And both managed to have their so-called "empires" crumble within a year of their death. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 06:12:20 PM 655 Views
Which just reinforces how awesome AH was - no one else could do what he did Cannoli - 13/04/2010 11:50:54 AM 1426 Views
??? Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 1893 Views
Ta'veren is not a power, it is an accomodation with what the Pattern demands of certain people Cannoli - 12/04/2010 02:56:57 PM 1324 Views
Simba *NM* BlackAdder - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 693 Views
Manwe Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1786 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 771 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1397 Views
Westley Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1339 Views
Leto Atreides II random thoughts - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1289 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* imlad - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 641 Views
What's the name of the Lemur-thing that's the King in "the penguins of madagascar"? He gets my vote! *NM* Mjolner - 14/04/2010 04:46:42 AM 702 Views
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