Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM
Are they horribly abusing facts or is it just that you don't agree with them? Because that would be something else.
The former, one of the reasons I raise incest is it is an example of the states being able to bar marriage between people, hence, arguments revolving around the states having no right to ban marriages are logically flawed. Arguments that the state should not possess that power are another matter, but as is, if someone states that no such right exist, they are overlooking precedent.
polygamy
In theory I have no problem with it. The issues with it have been discussed elsewhere on the board in the last week (I think by Tom) - basically it creates a real mess with existing legislation in a way that same sex marriage doesn't (since it is stil between two people it just slots into the existing tax legislation, for example). It would probably take some rewriting to extend tax breaks across x many people in a marriage... and one hell of a hard sell to the publis to explain why Jane and her 18 husbands deserve to pay so little tax.
I should imagine we'd agree that 'messes' something might introduce into legislation aren't really good reasons to keep a ban on something.

incest
Well since you want a key reason not to be mentioned, there is the other one - the fact it is more than possible for someone to be "groomed" from their early years for the relationship. Too much risk of abuse and it not being a healthy, really consent based relationship.
That applies to polygamy pretty often too. Or, say, someone adopting an adolescent then marrying them when they turn 18, pretty foul but I don't think "grooming" can be a blanket reason, since it wouldn't apply to people of the same age (sibs/cousins) in all likelihood. Also, every state has different laws and qualifiers for incest, some allow first cousins. But yes, of course there's the genetic defect thing, but gay unions can't produce kids, so incest unions who agree not too breed would seem equally legit, and again their is an issue, is incest the only situation where a higher-than-average-probability of genetic defects bars marriage, should it be, should others be for that reason, etc.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage.
- 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM
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Nice satire, but it raises another point for me.
- 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM
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That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people.
- 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM
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Hey, look! There was a point over there!
- 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM
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Who else should make those decisions?
- 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM
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I'd totally...
- 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM
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I'd totally...
- 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM
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I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering.
- 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM
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And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged
- 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM
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*Shakes Head*
- 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM
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I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM*
- 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM
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Perhaps not in the physical sense.
- 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM
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Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense.
- 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM
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Re: *Shakes Head*
- 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM
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I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution
- 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM
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No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM*
- 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM
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This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about.
- 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM
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You cannot be that stupid.
- 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM
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There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them...
- 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM
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A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM
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Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad.
- 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM
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Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM
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Not really
- 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM
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Re: Not really
- 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM
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Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives.
- 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM
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It should be noted again...
- 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM
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and how is it not a right?
- 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM
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My definition of rights...
- 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM
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mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right.
- 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM
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Article 16 probably not a great example
- 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
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- 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
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You could just as easily move the emphasis...
- 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM
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If we need a more specific resolution...
- 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM
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No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM
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That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize.
- 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM
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The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM*
- 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM
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It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though.
- 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM
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I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
- 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM
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Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
- 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM
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It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM*
- 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM
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To clarify for you
- 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM
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The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body...
- 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM
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I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body'
- 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM
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The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body
- 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless....
- 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM
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Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM*
- 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM
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The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right.
- 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM
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Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction...
- 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM
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Note it all you want...
- 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM
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No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM*
- 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM
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The best one yet.
- 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM
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Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM
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Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
- 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM
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Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
- 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM
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