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That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM
Whether the UDHR *should* provide for gay marriage is a different matter, but it's ridiculous to pretend that it does. The wording can be read that way now, sure, but that's only because they didn't even think of the possibility of gay marriage at the time they wrote and passed the thing.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1891 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1257 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1258 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1315 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 1201 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1326 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 734 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1519 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1411 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1294 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 1192 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1345 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 611 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1283 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1288 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 1192 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 617 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 1164 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 635 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1284 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1210 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 1158 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 567 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 1214 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1393 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 553 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 1166 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1431 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1367 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1550 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 1146 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 1217 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 628 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1293 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1236 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 1181 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 1154 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1262 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 1123 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1237 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 1117 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1300 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1319 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 1187 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 1208 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 1157 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1255 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1282 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1312 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 1109 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1233 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 1167 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 1013 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1275 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 1190 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1275 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 1040 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1337 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 1135 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1292 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1474 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 1182 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1484 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 1079 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 865 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1335 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 1154 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 1151 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 1180 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 1176 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 1127 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 1071 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 563 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 1152 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1537 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 1151 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1410 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1308 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 1106 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 591 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 603 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1325 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 597 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1257 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1318 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 1016 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1466 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1032 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 643 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1278 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 1149 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1235 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 1153 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1287 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1257 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 1206 Views
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