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That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM
Whether the UDHR *should* provide for gay marriage is a different matter, but it's ridiculous to pretend that it does. The wording can be read that way now, sure, but that's only because they didn't even think of the possibility of gay marriage at the time they wrote and passed the thing.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1697 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1079 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1104 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1146 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 1034 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1170 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 640 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1347 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1146 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1104 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 1032 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1185 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 527 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1114 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1128 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 1023 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 526 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 989 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 564 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1089 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1045 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 1001 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 480 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 1038 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1138 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 469 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 981 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1262 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1181 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1367 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 973 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 1010 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 533 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1126 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1071 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 997 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 984 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1095 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 962 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1089 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 957 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1135 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1124 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 1032 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 1032 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 990 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1076 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1107 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1140 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 951 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1071 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 948 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 832 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1116 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 998 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1116 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 877 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1169 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 970 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1118 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1299 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 989 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1312 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 926 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 746 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1166 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 992 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 981 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 997 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 999 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 965 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 899 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 481 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 968 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1361 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 959 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1252 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1135 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 919 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 508 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 514 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1163 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 516 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1101 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1158 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 850 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1231 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 849 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 550 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1108 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 962 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1083 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 982 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1115 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1088 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 1040 Views
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