Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there
SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM
To me the 'enforcement body' is the body that does the actual enforcement.
By your definition a city council is an enforcement body because they control the police. I think that is confusing and inaccurate.
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Or Somalia. Or Darfur in the Sudan. Or Afghanistan. Or Pakistan. Or Kashmir. Or - need I go on?
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A lot do, yes.
But read on...
Oh sure. In fact, let's take the cluster bomb thing you mentioned above. You know WHY cluster bombs are on the ban? For one, they're frequently considered mines (they aren't, they're unexploded ordnance, but never mind that for a moment) the big reason is that cluster bombs are hugely effective and are highly technological. Small little dirtbag countries cannot deploy them most of the time. So they get everyone up in arms about unexploded ordnance (a problem in every war since the American Civil War and still an issue in parts of Europe from the two World Wars) and how cluster bombs are evil and that they should be banned. Everyone agrees that this is terrible and all those countries whose militaries either A) Don't want to be hit by weapons they cannot field or B) Don't use their militaries because they're too liberal jump on the bandwagon. The US tells everyone to piss off because cluster bombs work very well and they know full well what's really going on.
Also - the whole Landmine thing. Does anyone ACTUALLY think that a treaty would have prevented the Khmer Rouge from filling big chunks of Southeast Asia with mines? I think not. We're talking about people who think piles of skulls are a good cultural statement. Is it going to prevent terrorists or insurgents from using IEDs (which are effectively landmines)? Umm, hasn't yet. How about the tinpot dictatorships? No, Saddam used them extensively in his defensive belts in the desert. So who then, is this legislation actually aimed at? The US. Why? Because, among other things, North Korea would really like to see the DMZ not filled with modern US maintained mines - it would make it easier for them to cause trouble.
The main reason the US didn't sign that treaty was because of the DMZ by the way. Other than that they were more or less fine with it save as it impacted cluster bombs and airfield denial mines - but of course the US is almost the only country which actually uses those technologies.
Or let's go back a bit further to the UN treaty on the Clark Orbit. The Clark (after late SF writer Arthur C. Clark) orbit is also commonly known as the geosynchronous orbit - the best orbit to put something up and have it stay over the spot it was put. This is highly useful for things like telecommunications satellites.
Now at the time the treaty was written there was huge pressure for the treaty to be 'fair' and every nation to have a section of the Clark orbit allocated to it. So that's what was done. Never mind that the vast majority of those countries didn't have space programs and couldn't USE their spots, they wanted them anyway. The real reason why was that a lot of South American dictators didn't want the US to put up spy satellites or telecommunications satellites that they didn't and couldn't control over their countries. So by demanding their 'fair share' they were just playing denial tactics.
There are other examples, plenty of them, but I think that should do.
By your definition a city council is an enforcement body because they control the police. I think that is confusing and inaccurate.
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Whilst of course it is not the same and fundamentally voluntary, there are usually enough countries willing to donate enough troops. Not counting Rwanda.
Or Somalia. Or Darfur in the Sudan. Or Afghanistan. Or Pakistan. Or Kashmir. Or - need I go on?
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Do people assume that? I think most people are aware that the US is not invovled in most of the military treaties and many of the conventions of the UN, examples being the recent ban on cluster bombs and the less recent failure to ratify the Rome Statute. Part of the maintainence of International Law is in the fact that we simply accept it as much in mere principle.
A lot do, yes.
But read on...
Can you actually explain how the UN is used by small countries to screw over the large ones? I'm not really sure if I understand the plausibility/ actual historical occurance of this.
Oh sure. In fact, let's take the cluster bomb thing you mentioned above. You know WHY cluster bombs are on the ban? For one, they're frequently considered mines (they aren't, they're unexploded ordnance, but never mind that for a moment) the big reason is that cluster bombs are hugely effective and are highly technological. Small little dirtbag countries cannot deploy them most of the time. So they get everyone up in arms about unexploded ordnance (a problem in every war since the American Civil War and still an issue in parts of Europe from the two World Wars) and how cluster bombs are evil and that they should be banned. Everyone agrees that this is terrible and all those countries whose militaries either A) Don't want to be hit by weapons they cannot field or B) Don't use their militaries because they're too liberal jump on the bandwagon. The US tells everyone to piss off because cluster bombs work very well and they know full well what's really going on.
Also - the whole Landmine thing. Does anyone ACTUALLY think that a treaty would have prevented the Khmer Rouge from filling big chunks of Southeast Asia with mines? I think not. We're talking about people who think piles of skulls are a good cultural statement. Is it going to prevent terrorists or insurgents from using IEDs (which are effectively landmines)? Umm, hasn't yet. How about the tinpot dictatorships? No, Saddam used them extensively in his defensive belts in the desert. So who then, is this legislation actually aimed at? The US. Why? Because, among other things, North Korea would really like to see the DMZ not filled with modern US maintained mines - it would make it easier for them to cause trouble.
The main reason the US didn't sign that treaty was because of the DMZ by the way. Other than that they were more or less fine with it save as it impacted cluster bombs and airfield denial mines - but of course the US is almost the only country which actually uses those technologies.
Or let's go back a bit further to the UN treaty on the Clark Orbit. The Clark (after late SF writer Arthur C. Clark) orbit is also commonly known as the geosynchronous orbit - the best orbit to put something up and have it stay over the spot it was put. This is highly useful for things like telecommunications satellites.
Now at the time the treaty was written there was huge pressure for the treaty to be 'fair' and every nation to have a section of the Clark orbit allocated to it. So that's what was done. Never mind that the vast majority of those countries didn't have space programs and couldn't USE their spots, they wanted them anyway. The real reason why was that a lot of South American dictators didn't want the US to put up spy satellites or telecommunications satellites that they didn't and couldn't control over their countries. So by demanding their 'fair share' they were just playing denial tactics.
There are other examples, plenty of them, but I think that should do.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage.
- 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM
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Nice satire, but it raises another point for me.
- 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM
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That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people.
- 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM
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Hey, look! There was a point over there!
- 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM
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Who else should make those decisions?
- 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM
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I'd totally...
- 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM
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I'd totally...
- 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM
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I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering.
- 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM
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And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged
- 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM
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*Shakes Head*
- 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM
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I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM*
- 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM
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Perhaps not in the physical sense.
- 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM
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Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense.
- 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM
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Re: *Shakes Head*
- 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM
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I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution
- 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM
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No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM*
- 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM
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This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about.
- 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM
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You cannot be that stupid.
- 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM
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There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them...
- 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM
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A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM
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Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad.
- 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM
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Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
- 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM
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Not really
- 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM
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Re: Not really
- 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM
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Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives.
- 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
- 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM
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It should be noted again...
- 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM
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and how is it not a right?
- 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM
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My definition of rights...
- 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM
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mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right.
- 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM
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Article 16 probably not a great example
- 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
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- 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
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You could just as easily move the emphasis...
- 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM
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If we need a more specific resolution...
- 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM
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No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM
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That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize.
- 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM
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The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM*
- 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
- 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM
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It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though.
- 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM
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I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
- 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM
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Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
- 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM
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It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM*
- 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM
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To clarify for you
- 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM
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The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body...
- 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM
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I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body'
- 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM
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The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body
- 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there
- 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM
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What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless....
- 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM
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Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM*
- 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM
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The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right.
- 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM
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Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction...
- 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM
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Note it all you want...
- 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM
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No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM*
- 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM
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The best one yet.
- 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM
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Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
- 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM
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Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
- 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM
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Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
- 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM
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