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To butt in for a second... Craig Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 07:38:05 PM
And as for the 8000 lightyears argument, I have to disagree with Craig, I do think astronomy is relevant in the discussion. But the way that argument is presented is idiotic. If creationists actually believed that there were objects 8000 lightyears away whose light is reaching the earth only now, they wouldn't be creationists to begin with.

I don't actually disagree that the point has some relevance in the context of the discussion. I was merely pointing out that, since the author didn't actually give any context whilst adding that as an "argument to support evolution," it was a worthless addition. Anyway it's not so much an "argument to support evolution" as it is an "argument to dispute creationism." Just another nitpick at the shitty writing.
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I can't even believe this. Entophile - 13/09/2009 07:40:02 PM 1125 Views
Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. Artsapat - 13/09/2009 07:43:15 PM 659 Views
Re: Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. Entophile - 13/09/2009 10:28:42 PM 747 Views
That is one amazingly stupid article... Legolas - 13/09/2009 08:04:47 PM 695 Views
ditto *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/09/2009 08:11:45 PM 339 Views
Re: ditto Cal Trask - 13/09/2009 10:01:54 PM 788 Views
wow why a witty and well thought out rebuttal. random thoughts - 14/09/2009 10:02:14 PM 672 Views
Ugh. Interesting subject, awful article. nossy - 13/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 723 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. Geniac - 13/09/2009 09:05:45 PM 677 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. Entophile - 13/09/2009 10:33:47 PM 602 Views
I'd agree with you, if... Wibble - 13/09/2009 10:36:07 PM 673 Views
*sigh* People bashing other people. Great Lord of Chaos - 13/09/2009 10:02:54 PM 738 Views
The author used the phrase "proven theories." Ergo, their argument is invalid. *NM* Craig - 14/09/2009 01:11:51 AM 351 Views
seriously. there's no such thing as a truly proven theory LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 01:52:30 AM 656 Views
Re: definition of "theory" Geniac - 14/09/2009 04:49:13 AM 729 Views
Re: definition of "theory" Entophile - 14/09/2009 08:56:48 AM 813 Views
I can't really tell Craig - 14/09/2009 08:14:14 PM 700 Views
Re: I think I was agreeing with you, yes *NM* Geniac - 15/09/2009 12:37:00 AM 328 Views
Oh, good. I'll let you live. *NM* Craig - 15/09/2009 01:55:49 AM 379 Views
I think you are getting workedup over nothing random thoughts - 14/09/2009 09:57:22 PM 849 Views
That's... not exactly it. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:33:02 PM 611 Views
not that is exactly it random thoughts - 14/09/2009 11:10:52 PM 862 Views
No, Craig is quite right. Legolas - 14/09/2009 11:21:11 PM 658 Views
Heh. You were much more diplomatic about it than I was. *NM* Craig - 14/09/2009 11:24:41 PM 378 Views
No you just happen to wrong with him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:14:16 AM 666 Views
Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... Legolas - 15/09/2009 10:51:46 AM 856 Views
Re: Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... random thoughts - 15/09/2009 05:32:51 PM 820 Views
To butt in for a second... Craig - 15/09/2009 07:38:05 PM 673 Views
'Fraid not. Craig - 14/09/2009 11:24:00 PM 668 Views
It's not, it's supposed to be relatively decent - mainstream conservative newspaper. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2009 11:28:44 PM 311 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:21:14 AM 660 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:22:59 AM 780 Views
Ithat was meant to be an eidt. oh well random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:23:36 AM 731 Views
Craig - 15/09/2009 02:14:37 AM 745 Views
completely aside from this argument you guys have here... nossy - 15/09/2009 05:02:21 AM 707 Views
Interrupter! Craig - 15/09/2009 06:11:40 AM 646 Views
Re: Interrupter! nossy - 15/09/2009 06:54:56 AM 749 Views
One brain C4, coming up... jh - 15/09/2009 12:00:26 PM 704 Views
Nicely put Floffe - 15/09/2009 03:48:42 PM 631 Views
Yes, I know. jh - 15/09/2009 04:55:22 PM 772 Views
PFt nossy - 15/09/2009 04:56:19 PM 643 Views
Are you telling me I am getting predictable? jh - 15/09/2009 04:58:59 PM 736 Views
The age of the universe is an important point in the creationist argument random thoughts - 15/09/2009 05:53:41 PM 724 Views
Exactly. So it was in the wrong column. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:58:15 PM 683 Views
what I think has been lost in the debate is it looks like it will be a good movie random thoughts - 15/09/2009 08:14:04 PM 743 Views
That, I can agree with. *NM* Craig - 15/09/2009 08:22:44 PM 348 Views
Um. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 11:28:28 PM 799 Views
LOL Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:29:16 PM 735 Views
Really? Because this was a rather atypical debate, honestly. Legolas - 15/09/2009 09:43:13 PM 622 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 09:54:00 PM 744 Views
Well, I can pretend if you want me to Isaac - 15/09/2009 10:07:59 PM 1185 Views
I happen to find it all extremely interesting nossy - 15/09/2009 10:23:19 PM 672 Views
Re: I happen to find it all extremely interesting Isaac - 15/09/2009 10:36:14 PM 695 Views
There are some places you can go that discuss the creationist ideas random thoughts - 15/09/2009 10:58:25 PM 815 Views
Having just been to the Creationist Museum last Monday nossy - 16/09/2009 12:00:12 AM 952 Views
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Craig - 16/09/2009 06:03:20 AM 649 Views
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