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My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM
So I'll just say that people should DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO - either gender.

And they should be fairly paid for their work, regardless of plumbing.

At one time society had well defined roles for men and women and, by and large (despite revisionism) those societies worked. There were always those who were unhappy - but then that's still true isn't it?

Technology has freed us of the rigid cultural need to do things the way we would have to do them purely naturally. I think that those options are good things and that those who want to take them should do so and be respected for their choice whatever it is.

I've had some very bad experiences with the feminazi crowd lately so I'm having to choose my words carefully lest I rant.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2307 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1366 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1384 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1388 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 725 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1350 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1425 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1381 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1364 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1377 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1388 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1320 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1456 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 759 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1376 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1357 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1399 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1393 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1339 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1391 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1242 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1269 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1305 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1317 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 799 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1305 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1415 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1416 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1279 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1260 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1301 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1325 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 867 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1391 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1353 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1276 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1269 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1293 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1263 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1307 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1307 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1349 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1275 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1223 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1323 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 796 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1262 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 728 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1413 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1274 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1355 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1357 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1205 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1270 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1250 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1429 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1313 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1247 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1230 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1257 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1285 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1228 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1250 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1300 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1255 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1280 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1276 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1215 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1308 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1377 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1185 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1307 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1196 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1285 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1181 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1260 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1182 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1348 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 703 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1229 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1289 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1304 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1142 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1249 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1185 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1265 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1127 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1295 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1304 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1309 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1200 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1470 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1396 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1268 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1304 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1285 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1309 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1308 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1209 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1276 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1307 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1413 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1312 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1292 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1192 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1164 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1278 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1282 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1314 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1313 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1317 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1228 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1258 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1235 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1320 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 717 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1276 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1318 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 651 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1305 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 709 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1299 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1270 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1257 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2456 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1241 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1304 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1256 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1224 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1206 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1196 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1278 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1284 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 739 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 707 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1322 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1278 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1207 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1321 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1296 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1222 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1347 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1333 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1271 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1377 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1281 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1291 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1277 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1276 Views
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