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Agreed. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM
The point is that being a woman is not a sin (though some Biblical passages here and there might make you wonder about that), but a man who has sex with another man is clearly and unambiguously committing a sin, according to the Bible. If the man is a priest, and claims that there is nothing wrong with this behavior, then you have an issue. It's no different, if one accepts the Bible (particularly in a sola sriptura doctrinal background), than if a murderer were a priest and continued to murder, unrepentant and without remorse.

It's disappointing that that's so difficult to see. I truly wish I'd seen a convincing argument to the contrary, but haven't. We can twist and torture passages to create a theroetical basis to question whether the many textual prohibitions were meant for all time, but the possibility still seems rather remote. I'm not so hubristic that I'd argue practicing homosexuals be "excommunicated", but the hubris of saying God has suddenly condoned something the Church has categorically opposed since centuries before the Crucifixion (and the critic coincidentally to practices) strikes me as a bar to the priesthood.
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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1458 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 331 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 373 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1119 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 771 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1027 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 422 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 370 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1036 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 938 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 881 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 819 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 843 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 792 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 865 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1032 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 851 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 872 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 920 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 805 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 883 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 962 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 822 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 926 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 972 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 783 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 846 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 411 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 368 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 405 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 947 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 778 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 813 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 862 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1030 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 861 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 992 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 904 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 877 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 950 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 925 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 940 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 795 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 883 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 861 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 782 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 983 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 912 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 999 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 849 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 397 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 983 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 843 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 843 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 774 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 379 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 773 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 836 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 364 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 828 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 771 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 822 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 917 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 789 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 902 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 891 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 886 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 758 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 840 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 790 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1099 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 848 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 860 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 811 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 807 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 825 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 970 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 856 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 347 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 795 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 751 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 799 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1202 Views
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