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Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM
But it seems to me "literalism or nothing" is something of a false dichotomy. Presumably scholarship and, yes, discernment and prayer exist to help us view the Bible as the complex document it is: divinely inspired, but written by humans and thereby subject to all their foibles.

That said, I can't immediately think of any Episcopalian priests whose general theology I agree with who really issue prescriptive moral boundaries beyond the Great Commandment. Maybe Micah: do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.

God wantiing us not to be assholes makes sense; God wanting us not to screw assholes makes rather less. Or to put it less crudely, what sort of loving being makes up arbitrary rules that don't really matter? How do people say "Well, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, but the Bible says it's bad, so it must be. Ways above my ways and all that"? We don't need the Bible to tell us murder is wrong. We don't need the Bible to tell us we shouldn't steal. We know these things are wrong.

To my mind, the Bible is there to show us a story of redemption and reconciliation and to give us a message of how we can be redeemed and reconciled with God. There are old rules that are part of that story, but they belong to the Hebrews, not to us. Focusing on the rules of the Bible misses the real message of it.


Sorry about the exceptionally rambling nature of this post. It's late and I'm on my phone, meaning that by the time I end a sentence I have forgotten how it began.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1438 Views
*NM* - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 321 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 367 Views
Homosexuals must die! - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1102 Views
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Yay!!. - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 995 Views
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Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 921 Views
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Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 810 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 819 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 776 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 848 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1019 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 829 Views
Wow. - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 851 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 903 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 788 Views
Agreed. - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 862 Views
They did so, via negativa. - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 955 Views
Your church has a constitution?! - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 827 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 405 Views
Haha no way! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 356 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 915 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 754 Views
It is pretty common practice - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 788 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 845 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1014 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 844 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 975 Views
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I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 859 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 862 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 835 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 758 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 966 Views
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You make a very important but too often overlooked point. - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 923 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 820 Views
Read Judges. - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 822 Views
Another example... - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 755 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 814 Views
I rest my case *NM* - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 354 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 810 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 757 Views
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We both know that isn't the case - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 900 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 773 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 877 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 870 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 862 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 773 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1178 Views

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