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You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan Send a noteboard - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM
So you're gonna ignore the reasons behind the tribe of Benjamin, are you? As well as Sodom and Gommorah? Rape, rape, rape. Battle of Gibeah, the whole tribe almost wiped out? Ring any bells?

(By the way, this does not mean you were lying, just that you were WRONG. Interesting point, you may want to examine it.)

I'm not interested in a language-off with you, either. It's not my gift. But greater minds than ours have worked those texts and I'm gonna believe them on this one.

Simply working from the English, your examination of Paul's text is both correct and incorrect. Granted, the condemnation of indecencies is clear. Given Paul's language regarding all sexuality, however (Better to marry than to burn, etc,) you have to stretch to assume that "indecencies" can be extrapolated to deal to all forms of homosexual sex. There is a difference between picking someone up off a street corner and a committed relationship, a difference Paul only barely explores in heterosexuals and does not consider in homosexuals. The Bible simply does not answer the questions you're asking directly, and your manner of handling the text is akin to using the story of Icarus (were it a sacred text) as a condemnation of spaceflight.

Your final paragraph is simplistic the point of naivete. Sexuality can be sinful. Pride can be sinful. Anger can be sinful. All can also be blessed gifts of God. Simplifying the universe so you can make black and white distinctions makes life easier, but that doesn't make them correct.
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