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The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". Joel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM
All this outrage .... when the left has been doing this exact same thing for years. Get off your high horse and take a look at yourself.

But. I'm a gonna take a liberal stance on this for once. We can't call a spade a spade. Lets invent a new label and misdefine it to suit YOUR personal political leaning AT THAT MOMENT. Because I am sure that in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years it will change some.

I get that you like to be an irascible troll a lot, Rod, but like I told trzaska: It's all fun and games until 68 innocent children are murdered simply for being liberals. The left has NOT "been doing that for years"; people like the Soviets, the "Red" Chinese and Al Qaeda (whose ideology is pretty far left if you look at it) do it, but liberals in the civilized world don't try to paint them as conservatives just because their actions rightly horrify us. Yes, you call a spade a spade (though I don't care for that phrase because of its origins). I'm sick and tired of this absurd "any crime my side commits is acceptable because they did it first" rationalization. It's not valid even when it's true (if you're as bad as they are why should I support either of you?) and it's usually not even true in the first place. Get off YOUR high horse and take a loot at yourself; as Lene points out, NO ONE ON EARTH objects to Breivik being called the far right terrorist he is--except for the American far right increasingly and dangerously detached from reality. The British are investigating their own far right because Breivik claims to have visited and met with them as well as being mentored by one of their members. The Norwegian far right party admits with shame that Breivik was a member nearly a decade ago before he became too extreme and quit.

It may just be online fun for you, but, although the increasingly violent and intolerant far right rhetoric in America doesn't (necessarily) create sociopaths, it DOES suggest targets for them, and you can't wash your hands of that. Personally, I've begun to wonder if the rhetorical practices of dehumanizing and demonizing the opposition, placing all ones own interests above all those of anyone else, DOES induce sociopathy in regular citizens as surely as it does in terrorist training camps and did in the ACTUAL Hitler Youth Beck referenced. You can't go around telling your acolytes you're at war with the devil incarnate who must be stopped by any means, then angrily deny culpability when they start shooting people.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1346 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 393 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 392 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 501 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 414 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 444 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 454 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 620 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 503 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 442 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 473 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 438 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 451 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 434 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 412 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 515 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 377 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 431 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 527 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 535 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 463 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 475 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 408 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 421 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 380 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 327 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 414 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 422 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 460 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 481 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 423 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 441 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 430 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 419 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 471 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 486 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 359 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 499 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 454 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 429 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 488 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 416 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 380 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 548 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 554 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 391 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 497 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 343 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 388 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 426 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 420 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 395 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 456 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 427 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 359 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 386 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 466 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 466 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 413 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 418 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 547 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 378 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 456 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 430 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 409 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 466 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 392 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 515 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 458 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 458 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 460 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 432 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 408 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 458 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 484 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 530 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 370 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 471 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 520 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 510 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 414 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 426 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 396 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 446 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 374 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 500 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 400 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 409 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 534 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 598 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 554 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 426 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 514 Views