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Maybe. Joel Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM
Based on what little I've read of the replies you've made, I'd suggest you take a break from reading this thread. As some have noted, you might be too emotionally wound up right now, considering the tone of your responses to someone who questions things in a non-trollish fashion.

Take a day or two off from the site. Go read some football sites. Then weigh in on the question of whether or not A&M is ready to SECede

Nah, I don't do college; the only comment I can make on that is "why not? Look how well it worked for Arkansas.... " I'm a lot more interested in the lockout and how much truth there is to rumors of a nearly complete new CBA that will utterly ruin Denvers cap status.

I'm a little wound up, yes, but a lot of it is the shameful and dangerous reaction from the American far right who injected themselves into this tragedy to complain about being injected. Their unprompted suggestion that mass murder somehow disqualifies a far right extremist from being far right, that the worst shooting massacre in history is somehow an indictment of the innocent victims rather than horrifying evidence of what intolerant hatred of them can do, is telling and disturbing to me. As I say, if something like this can happen in a country as peaceful and liberal as Norway and the only reaction from the American far right is to deny the undeniable fact the murderer was a far right terrorist, complain about that statement of fact, what does it say about the safety of liberals in America? They're indignantly disputing, yet again, that encouraging unrestrained pitiless efforts to annihilate their political opposition doesn't incite mass violence against those foes. It's suicidal to ignore that in the face of such a staggering tragedy disproving it. They didn't contribute to the massacre on Utøya or the bombing in Oslo, but allowing them to pretend they don't knowingly or otherwise encourage such things at home, even as they insist murder precludes them sharing any ideology with someone who shares nearly all their ideology, would be dangerously foolish.

I think what I OUGHT to do is channel all of this into a multiculture allegory I already intended to make a novel of anyway, but I'm hopping a plane back north in about two hours so it'll have to wait till then. All that said, I would be remiss if I didn't add Bill O'Reilly protesting too much to this thread; since he's taking issue with Breivik being identified as a Christian simply for repeately claiming to be (but still, ultimately, as an indictment of the ever ominous "liberal media" ) it seems like I should at least briefly address that.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1414 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 459 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 457 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 560 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 476 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 520 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 526 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 690 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 566 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 523 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 540 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 504 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 526 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 492 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 479 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 585 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 440 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 499 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 608 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 600 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 529 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 555 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 472 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 497 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 442 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 393 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 501 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 491 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 526 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 547 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 492 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 502 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 491 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 493 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 537 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 579 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 431 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 559 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 549 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 504 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 553 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 486 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 444 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 624 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 618 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 452 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 558 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 405 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 450 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 500 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 485 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 471 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 518 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 484 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 422 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 456 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 531 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 527 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 472 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 498 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 697 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 439 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 520 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 503 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 515 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 530 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 454 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 579 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 524 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 534 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 522 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 495 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 482 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 523 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 541 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 593 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 439 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 552 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 590 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 576 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 485 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 495 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 459 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 511 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 438 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 658 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 483 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 475 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 597 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 662 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 621 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 489 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 574 Views