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I don't know why Traska thinks that ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM
I know he's reviled on here by the liberal members, but that doesn't mean his posts are automatically trolling. I'd have to know why he thinks that. And even if I disagree with him, it still wouldn't make it trolling if he honestly believed it. I just don't know enough to be able to make that claim.

Fair enough - it was clear trolling in my opinion but I guess not in yours then.

And regardless of Joel, who has been over the top by some way, most of the argument on here seems to be one person objecting to the idea that the killer is described as right wing and picking fights with anyone who dares to do so, while claiming that he does consider him right wing. If the argument was that the gunman is unfairly being held up as a representative of the whole right then that would be a different matter... but that isn't what most of this post has been about - it has been about using the correct label.


But that wasn't what I was arguing about. I joined in this particular subthread to argue a specific point...the point that Joel is being extremely inflammatory by blaming the right for this guy's action and saying it will lead to more attacks. It's Joel's hyperbole I object to (and Legolas's defense of it because "Joel feels bad" ) Why you feel the need to keep proving a different point to me is beyond me, since I've already said I agree with that point. Can't you tailor your agrument to fit the specific point being argued instead of this "one size fits all" rebuttle? }<img class=' />
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). Joel - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1414 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 459 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 457 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 560 Views
Well said ironclad - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 476 Views
Thanks. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 520 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist Helene - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 525 Views
I'm not. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 689 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 566 Views
No one called him "American right" ironclad - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 523 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 540 Views
They don't have to claim him. ironclad - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 504 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 526 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media ironclad - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 492 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 478 Views
Yes but I didn't reply to the main article, but to Trzaska being ignorant ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:36:52 PM 571 Views
Just to be clear ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 585 Views
Re: Just to be clear nossy - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 439 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 497 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 608 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 599 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 529 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 553 Views
Precisely. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 472 Views
See, the thing with an extremist, is that he doesn't have all that much in common with jh - 26/07/2011 03:59:05 PM 533 Views
I am not defending the argument that he was a leftist in anyway random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:35:05 PM 533 Views
A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM 650 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 496 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* Dannymac - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 442 Views
*NM* Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 392 Views
random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 499 Views
He murders kids because they're liberal, you spit on their graves: You both belong in an asylum. Joel - 26/07/2011 07:54:08 AM 529 Views
Ignorance is bliss? ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 491 Views
Sometimes Isaac - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 525 Views
Aaaaaaand you are back on my ignore list. Thanks for confirming my original instincts were right. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2011 11:18:25 AM 350 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... Nate - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 547 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 492 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. Nate - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 501 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 491 Views
Now I see what you mean. Nate - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 493 Views
I would argue that his actions were tied to his beliefs on the specific issue of immigration random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:11:23 PM 413 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste Camilla - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 537 Views
I listened to that clip last night snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 579 Views
I'm seriously wondering if attacking the victims here will be the tipping point for US fascists. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:30:33 AM 464 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 430 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is snoopcester - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 558 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 548 Views
*NM* everynametaken - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 503 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 553 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 486 Views
Really? (+edit) nossy - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 444 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 623 Views
... Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 618 Views
if the term doesn't fit in the US then it makes no sense for US media to use the term here random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:14:40 PM 461 Views
This was my point. nossy - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 452 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 557 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 405 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 450 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. nossy - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 499 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you random thoughts - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 485 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 469 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it nossy - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 517 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 484 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 421 Views
It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM 566 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? Joel - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 455 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 530 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 527 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 471 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 497 Views
Pretty funny dart_board - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 697 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". Joel - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 438 Views
Wow. Let's just make this about us, why don't we? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:19:06 PM 622 Views
oh please the left is one trying to make about the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:36:39 PM 604 Views
I'm referring to all Americans (both sides) who are currently fighting this out. nossy - 26/07/2011 04:44:45 PM 458 Views
I agree 100% that this issue shouldn't be used in American politics random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:33:48 PM 549 Views
To Hell with them; even the normally indulgent American public will put them in a rubber room soon. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:36:13 PM 509 Views
You people all need to get a grip Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 519 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 502 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* Stephen - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 513 Views
No, you do not agree with what Wibble said. Your +1 makes zero sense. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:11:31 PM 403 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 530 Views
You are too close to this just now. Wibble - 26/07/2011 10:17:22 PM 497 Views
Probably,but that it happened in perhaps the safest most liberal place on Earth makes it inescapable Joel - 27/07/2011 12:26:45 AM 549 Views
Joel you are so full of shit random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 454 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 577 Views
Oh please, Legolas ßelals Girl - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 524 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 534 Views
Bullshit ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 521 Views
For the record, I've always supported guns for self defense (and hunting, and liberty from tyranny). Joel - 27/07/2011 10:52:02 AM 544 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 495 Views
*NM* ironclad - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 482 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 522 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? snoopcester - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 541 Views
so is the troll the person who makes the point or is the people who refuse to acknowledge it random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:41:31 PM 434 Views
Do you think trz was right to call him an ultra left wing anarchist? nossy - 27/07/2011 04:15:50 PM 519 Views
I assumed he was referring to me when talked about picking fights with people random thoughts - 27/07/2011 05:53:43 PM 514 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 592 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 439 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled nossy - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 550 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 589 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them Joel - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 576 Views
Well nossy - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 484 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common random thoughts - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 494 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 459 Views
One of us is. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 510 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 438 Views
Wibble, but maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 657 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 482 Views
Anyone saying Brevik has nothing in common with the American "Right" is lying to themselves Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:49:29 PM 511 Views
glad you could come along, someone has to represent the ignorant kool-aid drinkers random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:29:52 PM 510 Views
Not helping. Really not helping. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:22:53 PM 469 Views
I don't mind them lying to themselves,but promoting the lie incites violent persecution complexes Joel - 26/07/2011 11:40:48 PM 536 Views
A suggestion Larry - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 474 Views
Maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 595 Views
But there's a problem in all that Larry - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 660 Views
In that response, "they" etc. specifically means the talking heads and their defenders. Joel - 27/07/2011 02:44:25 PM 461 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' Joel - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 620 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand Roland00 - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 489 Views
I blame nested threads. Joel - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 573 Views
Personally, I blame your need to have the final post in every conversation Postsecret - 27/07/2011 10:27:30 PM 517 Views
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