extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them
Joel Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM
And I was never disputing that the guy was right-wing. From what I know about him, he certainly seems to be. I didn't get involved in this discussion until Joel actually started blaming these attacks on right-wingers and their ideology as a whole and saying it will lead to more terrible attacks like this one.
He's doing EXACTLY what every person on the right fears people are going to do...blame this on the shooter's ideaology and claim that those who share it are equally dangerous. That's extremely offensive, and makes them fearful, because it gives some people on the left another excuse to try and silence them
If the shooter had turned out to be left wing, and people here were saying things like what Joel was saying above, I would expect you and the other liberals here to object, and rightly so. Therefore, I'm not sure why you guys can't understand our own objections, and refuse to see the points that people like Random Thoughts are trying to articulate. Instead, I keep seeing in response "Well, he WAS right wing, you know..."
He's doing EXACTLY what every person on the right fears people are going to do...blame this on the shooter's ideaology and claim that those who share it are equally dangerous. That's extremely offensive, and makes them fearful, because it gives some people on the left another excuse to try and silence them
If the shooter had turned out to be left wing, and people here were saying things like what Joel was saying above, I would expect you and the other liberals here to object, and rightly so. Therefore, I'm not sure why you guys can't understand our own objections, and refuse to see the points that people like Random Thoughts are trying to articulate. Instead, I keep seeing in response "Well, he WAS right wing, you know..."
Whose comments are you talking about there? I'm not blaming the ideology, or blaming this particular attack on any far right rhetoric except Breiviks. But Fox airing Bolton, Beck, and now O'Reillys angry claims this guy has nothing in common with right wing extremism is delusional dangerous denial from the only news source trusted by millions on the American far right. You're afraid my words will silence you; I'm afraid their words will KILL me. If it's OK for you to say the former, what's wrong with me saying the latter? The right's afraid of the lefts words, the left's afraid of the rights words, but who keeps getting shot? If you're upset Fox dragged the American far right into the Norwegian massacre, so am I (and about 5,000,000 of my neighbors, btw
) but talk to Fox about it.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist).
- 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM
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Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM*
- 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM
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How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM*
- 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM
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That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist.
- 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM
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Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist
- 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM
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I'm not.
- 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM
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funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left
- 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM
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No one called him "American right"
- 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM
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so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM*
- 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM
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They don't have to claim him.
- 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM
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Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man
- 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM
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I neither care nor am responsible for US media
- 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM
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this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed?
- 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM
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Yes but I didn't reply to the main article, but to Trzaska being ignorant
- 26/07/2011 04:36:52 PM
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Just to be clear
- 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM
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just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist
- 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM
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People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views.
- 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM
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sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality
- 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM
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I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement,
- 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM
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See, the thing with an extremist, is that he doesn't have all that much in common with
- 26/07/2011 03:59:05 PM
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A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive.
- 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM
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I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy
- 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM
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He murders kids because they're liberal, you spit on their graves: You both belong in an asylum.
- 26/07/2011 07:54:08 AM
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Aaaaaaand you are back on my ignore list. Thanks for confirming my original instincts were right. *NM*
- 26/07/2011 11:18:25 AM
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He says (through his lawyer) ...
- 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM
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funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied
- 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
- 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM
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Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist
- 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM
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Now I see what you mean.
- 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM
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I would argue that his actions were tied to his beliefs on the specific issue of immigration
- 26/07/2011 06:11:23 PM
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And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste
- 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM
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I'm seriously wondering if attacking the victims here will be the tipping point for US fascists.
- 26/07/2011 10:30:33 AM
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why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid?
- 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM
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+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona.....
- 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM
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Really? (+edit)
- 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM
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no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right
- 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM
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...
- 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM
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if the term doesn't fit in the US then it makes no sense for US media to use the term here
- 26/07/2011 08:14:40 PM
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This was my point.
- 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM
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so are you pulling crap out of thin air now?
- 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM
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You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back.
- 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM
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I may be frustrated but I think it is justified
- 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM
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I'm sorry if my comment was stupid.
- 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM
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I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you
- 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM
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It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument.
- 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM
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BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right?
- 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM
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Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said?
- 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM
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He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism.
- 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM
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Wow. Let's just make this about us, why don't we?
- 26/07/2011 04:19:06 PM
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oh please the left is one trying to make about the right
- 26/07/2011 04:36:39 PM
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I'm referring to all Americans (both sides) who are currently fighting this out.
- 26/07/2011 04:44:45 PM
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I agree 100% that this issue shouldn't be used in American politics
- 26/07/2011 06:33:48 PM
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To Hell with them; even the normally indulgent American public will put them in a rubber room soon.
- 26/07/2011 11:36:13 PM
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You people all need to get a grip
- 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM
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+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM*
- 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM
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No, you do not agree with what Wibble said. Your +1 makes zero sense. *NM*
- 26/07/2011 11:11:31 PM
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That's what I'm trying to do.
- 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM
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You are too close to this just now.
- 26/07/2011 10:17:22 PM
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Probably,but that it happened in perhaps the safest most liberal place on Earth makes it inescapable
- 27/07/2011 12:26:45 AM
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Joel you are so full of shit
- 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM
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Read Joel's post title again, will you?
- 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM
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Oh please, Legolas
- 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM
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- 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM
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Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM*
- 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM
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Bullshit
- 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM
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For the record, I've always supported guns for self defense (and hunting, and liberty from tyranny).
- 27/07/2011 10:52:02 AM
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While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to
- 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM
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I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions.
- 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM
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No trolling? And you include the first reply in that?
- 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM
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so is the troll the person who makes the point or is the people who refuse to acknowledge it
- 27/07/2011 02:41:31 PM
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Do you think trz was right to call him an ultra left wing anarchist?
- 27/07/2011 04:15:50 PM
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I assumed he was referring to me when talked about picking fights with people
- 27/07/2011 05:53:43 PM
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yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM*
- 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM
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extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them
- 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM
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One of us is.
- 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM
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Anyone saying Brevik has nothing in common with the American "Right" is lying to themselves
- 26/07/2011 08:49:29 PM
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glad you could come along, someone has to represent the ignorant kool-aid drinkers
- 26/07/2011 10:29:52 PM
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I don't mind them lying to themselves,but promoting the lie incites violent persecution complexes
- 26/07/2011 11:40:48 PM
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A suggestion
- 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM
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Maybe.
- 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM
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But there's a problem in all that
- 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM
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In that response, "they" etc. specifically means the talking heads and their defenders.
- 27/07/2011 02:44:25 PM
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Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand
- 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM
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I blame nested threads.
- 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM
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Personally, I blame your need to have the final post in every conversation
- 27/07/2011 10:27:30 PM
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