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I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM
And I was never disputing that the guy was right-wing. From what I know about him, he certainly seems to be. I didn't get involved in this discussion until Joel actually started blaming these attacks on right-wingers and their ideology as a whole and saying it will lead to more terrible attacks like this one.

He's doing EXACTLY what every person on the right fears people are going to do...blame this on the shooter's ideaology and claim that those who share it are equally dangerous. That's extremely offensive, and makes them fearful, because it gives some people on the left another excuse to try and silence them

If the shooter had turned out to be left wing, and people here were saying things like what Joel was saying above, I would expect you and the other liberals here to object, and rightly so. Therefore, I'm not sure why you guys can't understand our own objections, and refuse to see the points that people like Random Thoughts are trying to articulate. Instead, I keep seeing in response "Well, he WAS right wing, you know..." ;)
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1404 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 448 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 447 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 552 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 468 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 512 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 518 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 683 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 557 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 512 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 531 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 497 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 517 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 485 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 470 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 577 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 432 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 490 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 594 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 592 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 522 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 547 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 462 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 489 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 434 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 385 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 475 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 485 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 517 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 537 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 481 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 492 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 483 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 484 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 528 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 572 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 423 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 550 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 534 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 498 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 544 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 477 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 434 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 616 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 611 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 443 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 552 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 398 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 440 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 492 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 478 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 459 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 511 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 478 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 414 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 445 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 524 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 519 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 465 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 487 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 678 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 432 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 511 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 493 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 489 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 521 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 446 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 571 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 518 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 523 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 515 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 487 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 468 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 515 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 535 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 586 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 430 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 533 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 580 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 570 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 477 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 483 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 452 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 501 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 429 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 636 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 473 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 466 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 587 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 654 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 612 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 482 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 565 Views