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It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution Roland00 Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM
To get the free ID you need to have a birth certificate or some other form of naturalization papers. Not everyone has that (you should understand why this is LL since you live in Kansas, not everyone was born in a hospital).

Furthermore the photo id is pretty much only DL, Military ID, or stated issued free one. It does not work for things such as University ID, etc.

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I think everyone should have one of the forms of ID but the reality is not everyone does. As your article pointed out, 200,000 people that are registered voters do not have one of the forms of a required id.

No matter what you do, some form of voter id law will disenfranchise potential voters. That said most people are okay with a small amount of disenfranchisement if they believe it will make the system more accountable.
This message last edited by Roland00 on 16/01/2012 at 01:09:02 AM
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 2126 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* Palatine - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 639 Views
From what I understand ... Nate - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1243 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 1114 Views
Well. Nate - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1261 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 678 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. Joel - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 1097 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* Ray - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 775 Views
That is kind of pathetic. Joel - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1032 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account Ray - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 956 Views
I cannot speak to that. Joel - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1153 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. Legolas - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 1127 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 612 Views
Did you read your own article? Legolas - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1167 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 1132 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... Burr - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 1059 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 627 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. Burr - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 1135 Views
i suppose that would get complicated if you tried to make it nice and flexible. *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:09:13 PM 826 Views
It doesn't, really. The issue gets politicized due to a long memory of "Jim Crow". Tom - 15/01/2012 06:19:37 PM 1228 Views
Yah, my mom brought up Jim Crow laws. It's a fair point, at least in regards to the reaction LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 06:22:36 PM 1139 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* Nate - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 658 Views
I'm magical? *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 691 Views
It is not a black and white issue Roland00 - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 1139 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 627 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* Roland00 - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 658 Views
that's too obvious. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 1123 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit Roland00 - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 1125 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1171 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1216 Views
that's just what they want you to think. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 1064 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1242 Views
Actually i'm pretty sure my rabbits scratch me because they're furry bastards. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 04:28:57 PM 638 Views
well for one thing she didn't start out by insulting people who disagree with her Ray - 16/01/2012 02:09:24 AM 1107 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: jh - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1189 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. LadyLorraine - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1270 Views
You could walk. *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 619 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1280 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 614 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1175 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. Sareitha Sedai - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 1130 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 624 Views
Every state has its own rules Isaac - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1190 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case Isaac - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1188 Views
It disenfranchises the dead/illegal aliens/people who vote multiple times... MightyYT - 16/01/2012 02:01:47 AM 1222 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* Palatine - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 733 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* jh - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 646 Views
By that, I assume you want to know. (But probably not as interesting as you think.) Palatine - 17/01/2012 02:46:16 PM 1148 Views
I don't see how it does A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1183 Views
Re: I don't see how it does Nate - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 1127 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 1073 Views
Cool. I wonder if Canada has those. I should check into that. *NM* Nate - 16/01/2012 12:35:39 AM 559 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* MightyYT - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 658 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 528 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above A Deathwatch Guard - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1160 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 643 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1244 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. Joel - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1193 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem Roland00 - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1159 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? Ray - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 1098 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1316 Views
That's smoke and mirrors Isaac - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1231 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point Roland00 - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 1137 Views
You are still ignoring the fact that it is almost impossible to catch people on the current system random thoughts - 16/01/2012 03:52:42 PM 1119 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article Isaac - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 1125 Views
Question for you Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1191 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. Isaac - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1326 Views
I tend to agree Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 1073 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting Isaac - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1198 Views
becuase they would then be limited to voting once and all of ACRON's work would be wasted *NM* Ray - 16/01/2012 01:46:06 AM 729 Views
Not to mention it might stop some of those pesky dead people that keep showing up. Every Year. *NM* dart_board - 16/01/2012 02:44:42 PM 718 Views
Hey now. Zombies are people too, and deserve to have their opinions noted. *NM* Nate - 17/01/2012 10:23:15 PM 636 Views
I guess you havn't been watching the Walking Dead *NM* random thoughts - 18/01/2012 07:09:34 PM 659 Views
Nate's one of those Farmer Hershel types. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/01/2012 10:02:48 PM 651 Views
Just a guess but I don't think things will end well for the farmer *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2012 07:09:45 PM 717 Views
If provided gratis, it does not; otherwise, it is a poll tax (illegal under federal law.) Joel - 16/01/2012 02:39:40 AM 1047 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. Amyrlin - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1169 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? dart_board - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1187 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* Amyrlin - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 639 Views
I do think that fraud/raising barriers to vote need to be weighed against each other. Sareitha Sedai - 16/01/2012 06:20:23 PM 1128 Views
I remember the Bush/Gore Fiasco back in 2000, Florida and Democrats pissed off the overseas military MightyYT - 16/01/2012 06:56:39 PM 1127 Views
I'm not reading the article but... callandor1000 - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 1125 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area LadyLorraine - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 1074 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. Sareitha Sedai - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 1056 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 1081 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. callandor1000 - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1298 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1214 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. callandor1000 - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1419 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area callandor1000 - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1168 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? Vivien - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1261 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* Isaac - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 661 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* Vivien - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 633 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 1114 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 1116 Views
That doesn't mean that's the best or most productive discussion manner LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 06:59:09 PM 1252 Views
Strong feelings on a topic don't have to translate to fervent discussion, all caps style. Vivien - 18/01/2012 08:50:45 PM 1189 Views
What? Amyrlin - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 1014 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1271 Views
the problem with that last point is... LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 1113 Views
Yes. Vivien - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1293 Views
That example is a lot different to what I'm talking about though. LadyLorraine - 18/01/2012 10:51:21 PM 1141 Views
It's not that different and it's a concrete example of something that happened quite recently. Vivien - 18/01/2012 11:43:24 PM 1370 Views
but my point is that it wasn't the government making those calls LadyLorraine - 19/01/2012 12:09:17 AM 1072 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. Amyrlin - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 1035 Views
What's your real question? Palatine - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 1109 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. Vivien - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1169 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. Palatine - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1308 Views
I've had enough, looking forward to insulting everyone again in a couple months or so. Vivien - 19/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1193 Views
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