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I tend to agree Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM
(Or maybe it's two)...I agree with you that our (OH's) current laws are not unfair. Do you support further restricting them to require a photo ID specifically though? Is there a photo ID that would be acceptable for voting purposes that OH residents can obtain for free? My personal opinion is that both fraud and barriers to vote are important to consider. I'd be more readily in favor of photo ID requirements (which seem like such a no-brainer in this day and age) if, as Joel says, there were state-issued photo IDs conveniently available and at no cost.


Free gets a bit tricky, the BMV charges $8.50 processing last I checked for an Ohio ID card, and even absentee you're paying postage or gas to get the form and/or send it in. Ohio incidentally has often been said to have the most or one of the most restrictive voting requirements which is while you'll hear me use hedge words when referring to other states, and HB 194 is seeking to restrict it Driver's License, State ID Card, passport, or Military ID, but has some fairly heavy opposition even from Husted. The final form of the bill or a successor could render much of what I said invalid. HEre however is the current acceptable ID

[From Ohio SecState]

A current and valid photo identification card issued by the State of Ohio or the United States government; or

A military identification ("military ID" ); or

An original or copy of a current utility bill; or

An original or copy of a current bank statement; or

An original or copy of a current government check; or

An original or copy of a current paycheck; or

An original or copy of a current other government document, other than a voter registration acknowledgement notification mailed by the board of elections, that shows the voter’s name and current address.[end]

So while I don't consider the $8.50 fee legitimately prohibitive, a person can forgo even that by presenting one of those above. Theoretically a person on welfare or disability who can not afford $8.50 is likely to have a government check. It would be my preference to go strictly photo ID and simply make the State ID available free of charge, currently though while I am not familiar with any absolutely free photo ID in Ohio, but those various forms - utility, bank, gov't, are typically free.

I have a more general question about absentee ballots and how those figure into these types of conversations, but I think I'll post that in the main thread.


It will be very interesting with absentee ballots for Ohio in 2012, last I checked deal had been cut to mail out everyone a absentee voter request form.


I know there are non-photo options currently accepted. I didn't know we were considered one of the most restrictive in terms of ID requirements though. That's interesting to me because it seems like there are a lot of options encompassing a fairly broad range.

Right, $8.50 for the state ID. I guess there could be a charge to obtain a copy of any supporting documentation you might need if you don't already have your birth certificate lying around or something like that, but I think I'd be okay with it as long as there were no charge for the ID itself.

Oooh, that's right, I read about the absentee mailings this year. I forgot about that. My husband and I always remember on election day when we're going to vote before work that we meant to get absentee ballots to avoid having to get up so early :P Maybe this will be the year we do it. Are OH absentee ballots treated like provisional ballots? Are they only counted in certain cases or anything like that?
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 2106 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 621 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1221 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 1091 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1240 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 664 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 1072 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 762 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1009 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 934 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1124 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 1098 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 601 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1147 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 1108 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 1035 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 597 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 1108 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 625 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 682 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 1121 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 611 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 642 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 1098 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 1103 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1144 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1195 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 1039 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1220 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1167 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1252 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 606 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1261 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 604 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1154 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 1106 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 610 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1166 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1167 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 720 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 629 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1160 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 1106 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 1051 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 648 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 513 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1139 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 627 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1223 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1160 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1135 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 1079 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1295 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1207 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 1112 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 1106 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1172 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1298 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 1050 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1158 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1149 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1164 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 627 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 1100 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 1047 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 1028 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 1050 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1272 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1189 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1394 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1141 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1236 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 626 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 622 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 1086 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 1091 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 989 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1251 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 1089 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1271 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 1013 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 1075 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1152 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1283 Views

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