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Strong feelings on a topic don't have to translate to fervent discussion, all caps style. Vivien Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 08:50:45 PM

It's what everyone always does, so it MUST be the best way to discuss the issue! WITH FERVOR!!.


I think people are reading too much into my initial post. Admittedly, it's not like this is the first time so it's on me. I don't mean to take anyone to task over their stance on this issue, especially not you. You asked a really great question. Willingness to examine all sides of this issue is certainly commendable and I can't think of a better example of that in recent memory than yours in your post.

Generally on most any political issues you expect there to be people that represent points all over the spectrum and that doesn't mean that they can't have a healthy reasonable debate. I was just really surprised because I didn't see anyone close to me on the spectrum of feelings about the voter id laws.


A good part of this discussion has been on the veracity of voter fraud claims. I'm not trying to argue this with you; I am just pointing out that it's not necessarily a right/wrong issue. There are multiple factors to consider. And, thus, I do not feel that heated emotions are conducive to the discussion.


I'm fine with your arguing, you don't have to defend yourself against someothing I didn't accuse you of. Yes, of course it's not really a right or wrong issue and there are other factors to consider.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 2073 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 597 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1185 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 1062 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1204 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 641 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 1031 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 740 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 967 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 898 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1094 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 1058 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 578 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1113 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 1069 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 999 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 576 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 1071 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 603 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 663 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 1082 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 588 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 620 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 1060 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 1070 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1111 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1159 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 1000 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1192 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1134 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1210 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 583 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1219 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 582 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1118 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 1067 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 589 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1111 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1126 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 696 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 609 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1128 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 1068 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 1017 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 629 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 493 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1101 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 607 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1185 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1125 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1100 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 1025 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1267 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1166 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 1077 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 1076 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1128 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1264 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 1015 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1125 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1113 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1121 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 605 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 1048 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 1011 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 996 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 1010 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1233 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1153 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1348 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1105 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1197 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 605 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 599 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 1054 Views
And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics. - 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM 1055 Views
That doesn't mean that's the best or most productive discussion manner - 18/01/2012 06:59:09 PM 1192 Views
Strong feelings on a topic don't have to translate to fervent discussion, all caps style. - 18/01/2012 08:50:45 PM 1136 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 955 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1212 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 1051 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1236 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 981 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 1037 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1115 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1251 Views

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