I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM*
Vivien Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM
How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community?
- 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM
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From what I understand ...
- 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM
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but you need a photo ID for so many other things
- 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM
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Well.
- 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM
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The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
- 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM
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I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM*
- 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM
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That is kind of pathetic.
- 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM
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It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is.
- 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM
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That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM*
- 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM
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I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate...
- 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM
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it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM*
- 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM
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Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID.
- 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM
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i suppose that would get complicated if you tried to make it nice and flexible. *NM*
- 15/01/2012 06:09:13 PM
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It doesn't, really. The issue gets politicized due to a long memory of "Jim Crow".
- 15/01/2012 06:19:37 PM
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Yah, my mom brought up Jim Crow laws. It's a fair point, at least in regards to the reaction
- 15/01/2012 06:22:36 PM
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This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM*
- 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM
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It is not a black and white issue
- 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM
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I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM
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I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM*
- 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM
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that's too obvious.
- 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM
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You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit
- 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM
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have you ever had a rabbit?
- 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM
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A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit
- 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM
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that's just what they want you to think.
- 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM
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Viscous does not mean Magical 
- 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM
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- 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM
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Actually i'm pretty sure my rabbits scratch me because they're furry bastards. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 04:28:57 PM
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well for one thing she didn't start out by insulting people who disagree with her
- 16/01/2012 02:09:24 AM
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Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this:
- 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM
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definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina.
- 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM
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You could walk. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM
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Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away
- 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM
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7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM*
- 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM
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probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless.
- 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM
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Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence.
- 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM
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No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case
- 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM
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It disenfranchises the dead/illegal aliens/people who vote multiple times...
- 16/01/2012 02:01:47 AM
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Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM*
- 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM
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that would be interesting. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM
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By that, I assume you want to know. (But probably not as interesting as you think.)
- 17/01/2012 02:46:16 PM
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I don't see how it does
- 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM
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Re: I don't see how it does
- 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM
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I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV
- 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM
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Cool. I wonder if Canada has those. I should check into that. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 12:35:39 AM
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Also passports work too in most places. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM
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those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM*
- 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM
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It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution
- 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM
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Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem
- 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM
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can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem?
- 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM
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In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted
- 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM
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That's smoke and mirrors
- 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM
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It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point
- 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM
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You are still ignoring the fact that it is almost impossible to catch people on the current system
- 16/01/2012 03:52:42 PM
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I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article
- 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM
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Question for you
- 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM
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I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need.
- 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM
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becuase they would then be limited to voting once and all of ACRON's work would be wasted *NM*
- 16/01/2012 01:46:06 AM
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Not to mention it might stop some of those pesky dead people that keep showing up. Every Year. *NM*
- 16/01/2012 02:44:42 PM
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Hey now. Zombies are people too, and deserve to have their opinions noted. *NM*
- 17/01/2012 10:23:15 PM
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I guess you havn't been watching the Walking Dead *NM*
- 18/01/2012 07:09:34 PM
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Nate's one of those Farmer Hershel types. *NM*
- 18/01/2012 10:02:48 PM
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Just a guess but I don't think things will end well for the farmer *NM*
- 19/01/2012 07:09:45 PM
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If provided gratis, it does not; otherwise, it is a poll tax (illegal under federal law.)
- 16/01/2012 02:39:40 AM
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Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community?
- 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM
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I do think that fraud/raising barriers to vote need to be weighed against each other.
- 16/01/2012 06:20:23 PM
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I remember the Bush/Gore Fiasco back in 2000, Florida and Democrats pissed off the overseas military
- 16/01/2012 06:56:39 PM
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I'm not reading the article but...
- 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM
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maybe there's no excuse in your area
- 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM
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I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot.
- 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM
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Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot.
- 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM
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What? I'm the only one who cares?
- 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM
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Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM*
- 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM
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I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM*
- 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM
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imo, fervor has no place in political discussion
- 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM
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And yet, it finds its way or it's not politics.
- 18/01/2012 06:28:08 PM
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That doesn't mean that's the best or most productive discussion manner 
- 18/01/2012 06:59:09 PM
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- 18/01/2012 06:59:09 PM
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Strong feelings on a topic don't have to translate to fervent discussion, all caps style.
- 18/01/2012 08:50:45 PM
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What?
- 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM
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What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before?
- 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM
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the problem with that last point is...
- 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM
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Yes.
- 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM
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That example is a lot different to what I'm talking about though.
- 18/01/2012 10:51:21 PM
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It's not that different and it's a concrete example of something that happened quite recently.
- 18/01/2012 11:43:24 PM
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What's your real question?
- 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM
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Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question.
- 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM
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Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised.
- 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM
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I've had enough, looking forward to insulting everyone again in a couple months or so.
- 19/01/2012 06:06:19 PM
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