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I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM
(Or maybe it's two)...I agree with you that our (OH's) current laws are not unfair. Do you support further restricting them to require a photo ID specifically though? Is there a photo ID that would be acceptable for voting purposes that OH residents can obtain for free? My personal opinion is that both fraud and barriers to vote are important to consider. I'd be more readily in favor of photo ID requirements (which seem like such a no-brainer in this day and age) if, as Joel says, there were state-issued photo IDs conveniently available and at no cost.


Free gets a bit tricky, the BMV charges $8.50 processing last I checked for an Ohio ID card, and even absentee you're paying postage or gas to get the form and/or send it in. Ohio incidentally has often been said to have the most or one of the most restrictive voting requirements which is while you'll hear me use hedge words when referring to other states, and HB 194 is seeking to restrict it Driver's License, State ID Card, passport, or Military ID, but has some fairly heavy opposition even from Husted. The final form of the bill or a successor could render much of what I said invalid. HEre however is the current acceptable ID

[From Ohio SecState]

A current and valid photo identification card issued by the State of Ohio or the United States government; or

A military identification ("military ID" ); or

An original or copy of a current utility bill; or

An original or copy of a current bank statement; or

An original or copy of a current government check; or

An original or copy of a current paycheck; or

An original or copy of a current other government document, other than a voter registration acknowledgement notification mailed by the board of elections, that shows the voter’s name and current address.[end]

So while I don't consider the $8.50 fee legitimately prohibitive, a person can forgo even that by presenting one of those above. Theoretically a person on welfare or disability who can not afford $8.50 is likely to have a government check. It would be my preference to go strictly photo ID and simply make the State ID available free of charge, currently though while I am not familiar with any absolutely free photo ID in Ohio, but those various forms - utility, bank, gov't, are typically free.

I have a more general question about absentee ballots and how those figure into these types of conversations, but I think I'll post that in the main thread.


It will be very interesting with absentee ballots for Ohio in 2012, last I checked deal had been cut to mail out everyone a absentee voter request form.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1744 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 459 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 868 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 757 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 905 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 492 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 719 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 598 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 674 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 620 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 782 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 761 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 444 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 812 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 772 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 689 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 444 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 764 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 472 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 547 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 784 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 453 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 485 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 757 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 771 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 810 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 823 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 697 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 897 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 782 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 881 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 453 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 911 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 454 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 817 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 751 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 461 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 802 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 803 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 560 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 468 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 830 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 767 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 718 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 489 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 359 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 790 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 472 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 826 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 791 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 757 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 721 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 941 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 839 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 767 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 769 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 811 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 952 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 710 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 799 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 831 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 747 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 472 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 749 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 684 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 683 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 716 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 926 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 841 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1029 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 789 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 900 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 678 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 896 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 751 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 899 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 666 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 723 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 811 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 955 Views

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