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I tend to agree Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM
(Or maybe it's two)...I agree with you that our (OH's) current laws are not unfair. Do you support further restricting them to require a photo ID specifically though? Is there a photo ID that would be acceptable for voting purposes that OH residents can obtain for free? My personal opinion is that both fraud and barriers to vote are important to consider. I'd be more readily in favor of photo ID requirements (which seem like such a no-brainer in this day and age) if, as Joel says, there were state-issued photo IDs conveniently available and at no cost.


Free gets a bit tricky, the BMV charges $8.50 processing last I checked for an Ohio ID card, and even absentee you're paying postage or gas to get the form and/or send it in. Ohio incidentally has often been said to have the most or one of the most restrictive voting requirements which is while you'll hear me use hedge words when referring to other states, and HB 194 is seeking to restrict it Driver's License, State ID Card, passport, or Military ID, but has some fairly heavy opposition even from Husted. The final form of the bill or a successor could render much of what I said invalid. HEre however is the current acceptable ID

[From Ohio SecState]

A current and valid photo identification card issued by the State of Ohio or the United States government; or

A military identification ("military ID" ); or

An original or copy of a current utility bill; or

An original or copy of a current bank statement; or

An original or copy of a current government check; or

An original or copy of a current paycheck; or

An original or copy of a current other government document, other than a voter registration acknowledgement notification mailed by the board of elections, that shows the voter’s name and current address.[end]

So while I don't consider the $8.50 fee legitimately prohibitive, a person can forgo even that by presenting one of those above. Theoretically a person on welfare or disability who can not afford $8.50 is likely to have a government check. It would be my preference to go strictly photo ID and simply make the State ID available free of charge, currently though while I am not familiar with any absolutely free photo ID in Ohio, but those various forms - utility, bank, gov't, are typically free.

I have a more general question about absentee ballots and how those figure into these types of conversations, but I think I'll post that in the main thread.


It will be very interesting with absentee ballots for Ohio in 2012, last I checked deal had been cut to mail out everyone a absentee voter request form.


I know there are non-photo options currently accepted. I didn't know we were considered one of the most restrictive in terms of ID requirements though. That's interesting to me because it seems like there are a lot of options encompassing a fairly broad range.

Right, $8.50 for the state ID. I guess there could be a charge to obtain a copy of any supporting documentation you might need if you don't already have your birth certificate lying around or something like that, but I think I'd be okay with it as long as there were no charge for the ID itself.

Oooh, that's right, I read about the absentee mailings this year. I forgot about that. My husband and I always remember on election day when we're going to vote before work that we meant to get absentee ballots to avoid having to get up so early :P Maybe this will be the year we do it. Are OH absentee ballots treated like provisional ballots? Are they only counted in certain cases or anything like that?
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1900 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 531 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1017 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 903 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1038 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 570 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 865 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 667 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 809 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 737 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 927 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 909 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 509 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 959 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 913 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 840 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 508 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 909 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 530 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 601 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 924 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 518 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 545 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 900 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 914 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 957 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 972 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 845 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1044 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 981 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1054 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 517 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1062 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 518 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 957 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 905 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 521 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 946 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 963 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 623 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 533 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 978 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 913 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 860 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 550 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 427 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 940 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 540 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1010 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 965 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 935 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 866 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1093 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 992 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 921 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 924 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 972 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1103 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 857 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 957 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 980 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 959 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 540 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 900 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 840 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 831 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 862 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1096 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 996 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1183 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 937 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1043 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 541 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 528 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 901 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 824 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1048 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 887 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1056 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 815 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 863 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 962 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1102 Views

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