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I admit I have not looked into it much Joel Send a noteboard - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM
There's no reason to argue if you're speaking out of ignorance (which, by the way, I'm not accusing you of), so I won't bother typing out a big response quite yet. If you're interested, the EFF has a pretty good <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/how-pipa-and-sopa-violate-white-house-principles-supporting-free-speech">writeup</a> about the problems with these bills.

I will address your "alarmist hyperbole" comment, though. SOPA/PIPA give the government power to block websites at the DNS level. If RAFO were to be blocked, it would be impossible to access via "readandfindout.com." You could access it via the IP address, but how many people here know how to do that? As to whether the government would take down RAFO, probably not. However, if you've followed the domain name seizures that have already been occurring, you'd know that the government has a positively abysmal accuracy rate. For example, check <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-84000-websites-by-mistake-110216/">this link</a>. Basically, the government wrongly seized a DNS provider's page, which brought down some 84,000 of that site's customers. If RAFO's registrar were seized, the same thing would happen to us. Oh, and interestingly, our registrar is one of the sites participating in the blackout, for what that's worth.

One more thing. The centralized DNS censorship proposed by these bills is incompatible with DNSSec -- a next generation DNS security protocol that we badly need. You literally cannot have both DNSSec, and SOPA/PIPA, at the same time.

In short, passing these bills WOULD directly alter the infrastructure of the internet, and would do so in a way that would make it easy to take RAFO down. Of course, there are a whole host of other reasons to dislike the bill, but I'm trying not to get into it any more than is necessary to address your "alarmist hyperbole" comment.

And would before taking a firm position on these particular bills as written.

Thing is, the administration has effectively suspended action on both bills pending already solicited public feedback and suggested improvements. Reacting to that with blackouts and protests that "we MUST stop this fascist law threatening the very existence of all ehumanity111" seems like the typical over the top hysteria that breaks out every time the US government considers clamping down on peoples "freedom" to do any irresponsible or larcenous thing they like on the internet that government created. It might be a great way for people to vent their spleens, but will not change anything, because it does not provide any of the superior alternatives the administration has requested.

Meanwhile, the government WILL enact SOME kind of legislation to restrict activity it deems undesirable; there are ample and powerful strategic reasons to do so wholly apart from any commercial ones. That "next generation security protocol that we badly need"? I am QUITE sure Congress, the President and the DoD agree with you on that need; instead of inciting mass epanic over their attempts to implement SOMETHING in that direction, why not include that in a response to their reasonable request that people tell them "not what is wrong, but what would be RIGHT"? Because as long as the definition of "right" is "nothing at all" they will dismiss that ludicrously untenable "suggestion."

The US government will not preserve, not just commercial vulnerabilities to piracy, but national vulnerabilities to military espionage, surveillance and sabotage, simply because the netizens of the world feel threatened by attempts to eliminate those vulnerabilities. Nor should it. There WILL be a new regulatory law; the only question is whether the people most affected by it choose to be involved with its design and thereby produce a largely positive law that accomplishes necessary reform and regulation without unduly censoring anyone or restricting their access to data that should be freely available. If, however, this is just another case of people asserting their "right" to download the location of US missile silos, and their computer access codes, then the government will ignore them, as it should.

Just out of idle curiosity, do we have an estimate of how many of the sites and servers that might be shut down under this law are actually owned and operated by the US government? I know the internets infrastructure has experienced a lot of private growth in the past decade or two, but have we reached the point where the internet could just keep on truckin' if the US government took all its systems offline tomorrow? If the answer is "no" is it all that unreasonable for them to perform at least a LITTLE regulation of that infrastructure, certainly their share of it? Just enough that the hundreds of daily cyberattacks from China do not shut down our radar defenses or download schematics of an Abrams MBT?
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2217 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 1040 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1152 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1254 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1104 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1212 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 679 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 662 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 922 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 660 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1094 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1108 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 1018 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1094 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1117 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1111 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1122 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1153 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 797 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 1035 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 600 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 983 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1050 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1053 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1213 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 969 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1120 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 971 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1077 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 969 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1234 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 986 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 1037 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 982 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 1002 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1247 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 989 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 1018 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1055 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 871 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1094 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 1007 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 998 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1061 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 871 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1137 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 977 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1054 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1070 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1122 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1072 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 978 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 654 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 633 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1206 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 1007 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 708 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 984 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 699 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 566 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 693 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 503 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1091 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 1026 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1098 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1142 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1105 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1194 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1102 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1053 Views

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