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TV is slightly different, because regional availability becomes a factor. Joel Send a noteboard - 19/01/2012 04:18:58 PM
It is ironic that many US cable networks have foreign outlets but the original "big three" broadcasters largely lack them (though NBC does have MSNBC.)
My point was, from a business standpoint, there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to fighting piracy, and it's not too deep.

So, spend half a billion lobbying Congress for a draconian bill that won't really affect piracy anyway, or focus your money and energy on figuring out a way to make money in a new world.

Well, if the pending bills would send people to prison for piracy, I would expect that to put a significant crimp in it, with little additional expense for Big Media; once it becomes a criminal matter they no longer need to pay a team of lawyers to make a civil complaint.

Even taking SOPA out of it, the point still stands- movie ticket sales have dropped, Netflix is making a killing. Music pirating did and does exist, but iTunes is still the number one music-buying platform. I don't know the numbers for television, but I DO know that viewing shows on the Internet and through DVR has become so prevalent that the numbers are becoming just as relevant as actual live viewing.

I do not wholly disagree with you there but, ultimately, even if it is not the most efficient use of their resources, intellectual property owners do (or should) have every right to enforce their property rights. Movie ticket sales have been dropping ever since people could rent them from Blockbuster on VHS (in fact, I hear brick and mortar video rental stores are the ones Netflix and Redbox are REALLY killing.) That is part of the reason an 8 oz. coke costs $3 at the theater. The difference between those things and outright piracy is that people are not getting the media content without the inconvenience of having to purchase that privilege from those who produced it.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2194 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 1017 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1133 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1230 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1081 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1185 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 671 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 654 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 902 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 652 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1077 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1085 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 997 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1066 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1094 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1085 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1099 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1125 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 787 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 1009 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 589 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 955 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1026 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1030 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1185 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 949 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1093 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 944 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1050 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 944 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1206 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 961 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 1015 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 957 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 970 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1227 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 966 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 993 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1033 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 843 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1071 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 988 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 975 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1039 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 847 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1113 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 950 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1027 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1043 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1103 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1048 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 953 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 645 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 625 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1182 Views
Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy. - 18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM 1130 Views
I would not recommend photocopying a book and handing it out on street corners. - 18/01/2012 06:45:52 PM 1063 Views
Not to blame, neccessarily. But you have to live in the real world. - 18/01/2012 07:31:18 PM 976 Views
Re: Not to blame, neccessarily. But you have to live in the real world. - 18/01/2012 08:55:59 PM 1062 Views
I always liked the codewheels SSI provided with copies of their Gold Box AD&D games. - 18/01/2012 10:07:40 PM 1192 Views
These are really different arguments - 19/01/2012 12:05:10 AM 966 Views
TV is slightly different, because regional availability becomes a factor. - 19/01/2012 04:18:58 PM 960 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 976 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 697 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 963 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 689 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 557 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 684 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 495 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1066 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 1001 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1079 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1117 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1080 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1173 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1076 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1033 Views

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