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ironclad Send a noteboard - 06/02/2012 06:25:09 PM

I suppose in the end it's matter of taste. And a matter of me finding it more likely that my hard drive with all those precious BluRay files dies than my whole living room with the cases burning down

The only thing that physical media has going for it is that people understand it. We've been doing it that way for decades so there's nothing new to learn. On the other hand, a few examples of the benefits of digital files are:

- Availability: Store selection is limited, stores close, etc. Digital files can be obtained anytime, from virtually anywhere in the world.

- Delivery speed: It's much faster to get digital files over the net. Even on a regular broadband connection, you can stream as you download. This is much faster than even driving to a store one block down from you.

- Price: It costs less to distribute digital files. This cost isn't always passed on to the consumer, but the technology itself is cheaper.

All those points make perfect sense but what about the glee of walking through a store and seeing the movie you were looking forward to is finally out, on sale or even released for the first time?
I know that's pure nostaliga. When mp3s came out I enjoyed getting every song imaginable as soon as I wanted it. Then I remembered the old times when you actually had to hunt down a song, find the record, decide whether to buy it or not and so on. That's no point that's really in my favor, I know, it's just to show such things matter for people like me, or the ones buying vinyl again these days. It's not always only about your three points, is all I am saying. It's about appreciating a product.

Use: Ever tried playing your blu-ray disk on your phone? Digital files can be played on LOTS of devices, and they can be played simultaneously. I can stream a movie to my phone in the bedroom while my wife watches a different movie on her laptop in the kitchen while a group of friends watches another movie on the bigscreen in the living room. The movies can be called up instantly (no hunting down and inserting the disk), you can search for the one you want by dozens of criteria, save a bunch of viewing statistics, instantly skip to different parts of the movie (rather than the scene select or the juddering sort of fast forward that you see with disks), etc. I could write a page on this subject alone. It is MUCH more enjoyable to consume digital content.

I never got that, sorry. I don't wanna watch a film on my phone (nor can I, bc it's old because I only need it to call and text). Or my laptop. My huge HD TV is the smallest screen I wanna see a film on, period..

The discussion is basically the same as people liking their hardcover books in their living room as opposed to the ones on a kindle. You don't tell them that they can print it out if they feel so inclined and put it in their shelf either

Safety: Have you ever lost a disk? Stepped on it in the living room? Friend never gave it back? I've never lost a digital file. Digital files let you be as safe as you want to be. You can back them up to ten different places and be protected from everything short of an apocalypse, or you can backup offsite (keep a portable hard drive at work, and bring it home to plug in) every week or two. With a disk, you have one copy, in one soon-to-be-obsolete format, forever. Period.

Valid point of course. I just doubt the majority of people does as many back ups, so I'd still say the chances of losing a file are higher than losing a DVD case.

Anyway, those are just a few of the advantages of digital media. I'm kind of in a hurry so I know the above isn't well organized or written, but still, I hope I got my point across. It's not just a matter of taste; keeping your movies digitally really does make more sense than limiting yourself to a single disk.

In the long run you'll be proven right, I am completely aware of that. People will connect their TV directly to the internet and choose every film imaginable in top quality. All I am saying is that I am no dinosaur and things with DVDs and BluRays will still be the way they are for a while, even if there are tech-savy people like you who do those futuristic things a while before everyone else

As for the piracy discussion, I doubt most people do it because they enjoy the privileges you named or prefer them over a hard copy. They are just lazy, cheap and can get it within a few mouse clicks, which just happens to be the digital file.

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You will never kill piracy, and piracy will never kill you moondog - 05/02/2012 06:56:57 PM 1103 Views

Pretty much A Deathwatch Guard - 05/02/2012 08:39:16 PM 322 Views

The article both raises good points and is full of shit ironclad - 05/02/2012 11:36:25 PM 593 Views

Re: The article both raises good points and is full of shit DomA - 06/02/2012 02:07:01 AM 490 Views

Re: The article both raises good points and is full of shit everynametaken - 06/02/2012 02:11:38 AM 520 Views

Then it really seems to differ between our countries ironclad - 06/02/2012 10:52:39 AM 463 Views

What are your ticket prices? *NM* Macharius - 06/02/2012 12:53:04 PM 203 Views

Between 5 (students or special offers) and 10 - 11 Euro for 3D films. *NM* ironclad - 06/02/2012 01:12:08 PM 207 Views

With the exchange rate, that sounds fairly comparable to my local area. Macharius - 06/02/2012 04:20:18 PM 372 Views

are those theaters all hollywood movies or from european studios? moondog - 06/02/2012 03:01:37 PM 515 Views

Both, basically ironclad - 06/02/2012 04:55:36 PM 517 Views

I just want to comment on a couple things. I feel like you're a little bit behind the times.

Aemon - 06/02/2012 05:23:40 AM 588 Views

Disagree. *NM* Stephen - 06/02/2012 09:38:56 AM 348 Views

Feel like explaining? *NM* Aemon - 06/02/2012 03:25:11 PM 179 Views

Well, call me old-fashioned but I think that'll be my preference for a while now. ironclad - 06/02/2012 10:36:41 AM 454 Views

It's not just a matter of taste when one technology is demonstrably superior. Aemon - 06/02/2012 04:04:27 PM 470 Views

Re: It's not just a matter of taste when one technology is demonstrably superior. Macharius - 06/02/2012 04:27:09 PM 354 Views

It's rare, I'll admit.

Aemon - 06/02/2012 06:19:20 PM 342 Views

My age is gonna show even more in the next reply, but here we go

ironclad - 06/02/2012 06:25:09 PM 457 Views

Re: My age is gonna show even more in the next reply, but here we go

Aemon - 06/02/2012 08:13:48 PM 491 Views

I'll give you a hint. Jacob - 13/02/2012 03:31:56 PM 586 Views

Re: I'll give you a hint. DomA - 14/02/2012 01:52:50 AM 392 Views

Re: My age is gonna show even more in the next reply, but here we go

DomA - 06/02/2012 11:04:21 PM 394 Views

yeah, cinemas here aren't doing so well ranagrande - 06/02/2012 01:33:06 PM 413 Views

That subject line well encapsulates this whole debate, IMHO. Joel - 07/02/2012 07:52:22 PM 444 Views

That pretty much echoes my opinion on the subject DomA - 06/02/2012 12:56:49 AM 501 Views

Holy text-wall, Batman! Macharius - 06/02/2012 12:49:28 PM 400 Views

I did not ask for alternative LAWS, Obama did; I merely quoted him, and this article mentions no law Joel - 07/02/2012 04:50:14 AM 524 Views

you're confusing the issue moondog - 07/02/2012 06:22:30 AM 391 Views

No, I am clarifying the issue. Joel - 07/02/2012 06:54:40 AM 511 Views

again, you are taking the wrong approach moondog - 07/02/2012 03:57:03 PM 489 Views

I disagree, and there are factual errors in your statements. Joel - 07/02/2012 07:36:16 PM 467 Views

actually, there are not moondog - 08/02/2012 04:15:09 AM 376 Views

Yeah, actually there are. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:53:02 AM 483 Views

Re: Yeah, actually there are. ranagrande - 10/02/2012 04:11:10 AM 417 Views

Technically, the first point is true, but I disagree the distinction is important in terms of piracy Joel - 12/02/2012 01:09:01 AM 414 Views

Without realizing Joel, you're getting closer and closer to some of our views... DomA - 12/02/2012 09:24:22 AM 435 Views

To a large extent my issue is with means rather than ends. Joel - 13/02/2012 09:45:39 AM 508 Views

Re: To a large extent my issue is with means rather than ends. DomA - 13/02/2012 11:43:02 PM 392 Views

Re: To a large extent my issue is with means rather than ends. Joel - 04/03/2012 01:06:26 AM 484 Views

Re: No, I am clarifying the issue. DomA - 07/02/2012 07:52:42 PM 438 Views

It is not the same as taping an album for a friend. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:18:42 AM 484 Views

Re: It is not the same as taping an album for a friend. DomA - 09/02/2012 10:39:05 PM 383 Views

Re: It is not the same as taping an album for a friend. Joel - 12/02/2012 12:04:57 AM 471 Views

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<quote id="243918">
<quote id="243901"><quote id="243875">I suppose in the end it's matter of taste. And a matter of me finding it more likely that my hard drive with all those precious BluRay files dies than my whole living room with the cases burning down :P</quote></quote>
<quote id="243901">The only thing that physical media has going for it is that people understand it. We've been doing it that way for decades so there's nothing new to learn. On the other hand, a few examples of the benefits of digital files are:</quote>
<quote id="243901">- Availability: Store selection is limited, stores close, etc. Digital files can be obtained anytime, from virtually anywhere in the world.</quote>
<quote id="243901">- Delivery speed: It's much faster to get digital files over the net. Even on a regular broadband connection, you can stream as you download. This is much faster than even driving to a store one block down from you.</quote>
<quote id="243901">- Price: It costs less to distribute digital files. This cost isn't always passed on to the consumer, but the technology itself is cheaper.</quote>
All those points make perfect sense but what about the glee of walking through a store and seeing the movie you were looking forward to is finally out, on sale or even released for the first time?
I know that's pure nostaliga. When mp3s came out I enjoyed getting every song imaginable as soon as I wanted it. Then I remembered the old times when you actually had to hunt down a song, find the record, decide whether to buy it or not and so on. That's no point that's really in my favor, I know, it's just to show such things matter for people like me, or the ones buying vinyl again these days. It's not always only about your three points, is all I am saying. It's about appreciating a product.

<quote id="243901">Use: Ever tried playing your blu-ray disk on your phone? Digital files can be played on LOTS of devices, and they can be played simultaneously. I can stream a movie to my phone in the bedroom while my wife watches a different movie on her laptop in the kitchen while a group of friends watches another movie on the bigscreen in the living room. The movies can be called up instantly (no hunting down and inserting the disk), you can search for the one you want by dozens of criteria, save a bunch of viewing statistics, instantly skip to different parts of the movie (rather than the scene select or the juddering sort of fast forward that you see with disks), etc. I could write a page on this subject alone. It is MUCH more enjoyable to consume digital content.</quote>
I never got that, sorry. I don't wanna watch a film on my phone (nor can I, bc it's old because I only need it to call and text). Or my laptop. My huge HD TV is the smallest screen I wanna see a film on, period..

The discussion is basically the same as people liking their hardcover books in their living room as opposed to the ones on a kindle. You don't tell them that they can print it out if they feel so inclined and put it in their shelf either ;)

<quote id="243901">Safety: Have you ever lost a disk? Stepped on it in the living room? Friend never gave it back? I've never lost a digital file. Digital files let you be as safe as you want to be. You can back them up to ten different places and be protected from everything short of an apocalypse, or you can backup offsite (keep a portable hard drive at work, and bring it home to plug in) every week or two. With a disk, you have one copy, in one soon-to-be-obsolete format, forever. Period. </quote>
Valid point of course. I just doubt the majority of people does as many back ups, so I'd still say the chances of losing a file are higher than losing a DVD case.

<quote id="243901">Anyway, those are just a few of the advantages of digital media. I'm kind of in a hurry so I know the above isn't well organized or written, but still, I hope I got my point across. It's not just a matter of taste; keeping your movies digitally really does make more sense than limiting yourself to a single disk.</quote>
In the long run you'll be proven right, I am completely aware of that. People will connect their TV directly to the internet and choose every film imaginable in top quality. All I am saying is that I am no dinosaur and things with DVDs and BluRays will still be the way they are for a while, even if there are tech-savy people like you who do those futuristic things a while before everyone else :P

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