I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything
A Deathwatch Guard Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM
My reasoning for it is this. I like guns, others like guns, and so it makes us happy to either have guns, or at the very least have the option open to us to have guns. Yes, guns kill people (it really is people that kill people, but like you said, guns greatly facilitate the process), but lots of things kill people. Cars kill people, gas leaks kill people, toppling trees and hundreds of other things. There's no way to protect everyone from everything, or even to protect a single person from everything. If all guns magically vanished, then that guy in Colorado would have planted a bomb and set that off instead. He clearly had the ability considering what was in his apartment. I don't know the statistics, so I don't know whether and in what way gun restrictions would impact crime. I can see it going either way, but the majority of me (the cynical, and therefore realistic part) thinks that if it does any good, it would be a very insubstantial amount. So the question is, do we want to anger and upset millions of people, to preserve maybe a handful of lives a year?
And perhaps it makes me callous or evil to say so, but for me the answer is no. More people than that will die from choking on random bits of food, or a multitude of other things that are as much outside the control of the victim as being shot by a psychopath.
That said, I have no problem with some sorts of background checks. For instance, if the person has been accused and convicted of violent crime, or something along those lines. And a mandatory course on gun maintenance, safety, and shooting, for all buyers would be a good idea. Nothing too strenuous, we're not training people to re-enact Call of Duty in real life, but enough for them not to shoot themselves or others accidentally, or confuse the safety with the trigger. After all, we require people to get driver's licenses, so some sort of gun training program doesn't seem like a ridiculous or even difficult to implement idea.
And perhaps it makes me callous or evil to say so, but for me the answer is no. More people than that will die from choking on random bits of food, or a multitude of other things that are as much outside the control of the victim as being shot by a psychopath.
That said, I have no problem with some sorts of background checks. For instance, if the person has been accused and convicted of violent crime, or something along those lines. And a mandatory course on gun maintenance, safety, and shooting, for all buyers would be a good idea. Nothing too strenuous, we're not training people to re-enact Call of Duty in real life, but enough for them not to shoot themselves or others accidentally, or confuse the safety with the trigger. After all, we require people to get driver's licenses, so some sort of gun training program doesn't seem like a ridiculous or even difficult to implement idea.
Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control?
- 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM
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Kind of?
- 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM
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Agreed
- 25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM
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Re: Agreed
- 25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM
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A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too.
- 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM
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I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything
- 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM
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Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US)
- 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM
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Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns
- 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM
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I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
- 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM
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- 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM
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Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
- 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM
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- 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM
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Re:
- 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM
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My dad's gun were stolen and the police said they didn't need to even take fingerprints
- 25/07/2012 06:58:36 PM
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I understand, but you probably should if time permits
- 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM
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It is unlikely to, for a while.
- 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM
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Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though
- 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM
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- 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM
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... his was shorter?
- 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM
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Yeah but mine had diagrams!
- 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM
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I do sometimes need pictures.
- 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM
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Where exactly did you get those numbers?
- 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM
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Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation
- 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM
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Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies.
- 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM
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I'm not surprised there were missing incidents
- 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM
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Norway? Scotland?
- 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM
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And yet, the people who do these things tend to be more respectful of guns
- 25/07/2012 03:44:31 PM
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Well working with dangeorus items tends to lead to respect and caution or a Darwin Award
- 25/07/2012 04:52:13 PM
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I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people
- 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM
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Re: guns
- 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM
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what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns?
- 25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM
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My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM*
- 25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM
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Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
- 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM
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Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
- 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM
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Putting your hand on something is a little different then shooting someone
- 25/07/2012 08:13:59 PM
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The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic
- 25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM
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Bullshit
- 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM
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I call Bullshit on your Bullshit
- 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM
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Or
- 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM
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There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater
- 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM
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HE was talking about normal people.
- 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM
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i have pretty strong feelings that they should be better regulated than they currently are
- 25/07/2012 03:18:10 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong....
- 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM
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I believe it was the ammunition he bought in large amounts online, not the guns themselves.
- 25/07/2012 07:22:31 PM
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Yes and I am glad it's not my problem.
- 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM
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Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant
- 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM
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Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone.
- 26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM
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Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense
- 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM
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They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM
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they don't typically bring guns here either
- 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM
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That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers
- 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM
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Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun
- 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM
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the argument of if America should have a lot guns is a long over
- 26/07/2012 03:29:50 PM
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See, there's another one of those BS stats tricks, 'family members' includes suicides and murder
- 26/07/2012 06:47:54 PM
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Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms.
- 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM
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assault rifles are banned
- 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM
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I know the distinction. That's why I want a more clearly defined term for "assault weapon."
- 27/07/2012 09:46:11 AM
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Then stay away from the hyperbole because an Uzi is a sub machinegun so it is banned
- 27/07/2012 01:48:50 PM
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