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Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM
Anecdotal evidence, but then so was yours. Hell a lot of people used to carrying weapons tend to reach for them even when they don't have them on, I still sometimes do. A gun is a mental security blanket. Now, let me say more importantly that this is not proper debate, we do not use anecdotal evidence, we use science and reason when trying to press facts. If you want to assert people in a panic forget they have a gun, check. Run a study, either a very large one to grab a decent sized sample of concealed carry, or just do cops or soldiers. Bring them in ostensibly for something else, like their favorite soda or whatever, and in the middle of it with video running drop a flashbang in the room or hit the stereo on full volume or whatever and see what percentage reach for their gun. That would tell you what percentage of folks who carry weapons tend to react when startled by reaching for it. That won't tell you how many would react to a shooter, presumably more will reach for a gun during a 1-5 second period after their brain screams 'homicidal lunatic with gun' though I daresay the 'with gun' bit is even more likely to set off 'Gun! Gun! Oh, yeah, I've got a gun too'. Also, I think the weight of common sense is that once a person has a hand on their weapon they are very likely to begin including opening fire on their list of responses. Regardless, you can't just make assertions like that as fact, especially if disputed, these things need testing.
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I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM 921 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM 823 Views
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Re: Re: - 25/07/2012 05:50:23 PM 909 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM 907 Views
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Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though - 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM 839 Views
... his was shorter? - 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM 764 Views
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*NM* - 26/07/2012 05:23:11 PM 406 Views
Where exactly did you get those numbers? - 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM 862 Views
He's right as far as numbers go. - 27/07/2012 08:08:02 PM 895 Views
Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation - 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM 925 Views
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Norway? Scotland? - 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM 795 Views
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Hi, Cannoli. - 25/07/2012 10:30:56 PM 807 Views
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Or - 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM 733 Views
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In addition to random thoughts's points... - 26/07/2012 03:10:56 PM 775 Views
You're partially right but mostly wrong - 26/07/2012 05:46:27 PM 832 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong.... - 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM 990 Views
You're wrong - 25/07/2012 04:37:22 PM 761 Views
Yes. - 25/07/2012 05:09:36 PM 760 Views
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They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM 396 Views
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Ha! - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 PM 676 Views
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assault rifles are banned - 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM 806 Views
Touchy - 28/07/2012 04:33:46 AM 987 Views

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