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While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM
that was pretty bad. Being an NFL ref is tough and given that these guys has not had much time to learn nor experienced refs to train them, they are doing as well as can be expected. They mess up, sure but so does everyone training in a new job. The players who whine about "their job is to get calls right" need to be told that their job is to not drop passes or not fumble the ball.

However, here is a new rule for general life based on the call from the end of tonight's game: If you are holding your baby and I walk up and grab your baby, I own your baby.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 689 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 761 Views
Link? Clip? Joel - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 720 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 443 Views
Here's a link. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 813 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 635 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 866 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 821 Views
youtube link Orange - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 831 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. Joel - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 720 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened moondog - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 986 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1326 Views
watch a better replay if you can moondog - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 783 Views
Have now; still not convinced. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 830 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong moondog - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 843 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* Joel - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 782 Views
also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip moondog - 25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM 790 Views
Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM 753 Views
watch a better replay and get back to me on this one. moondog - 26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM 794 Views
Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that? Joel - 26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM 885 Views
in their official response to the whole incident....? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM 1019 Views
Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM 798 Views
Yeah, if one hand counts as possession Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM 803 Views
new rule: catch the guy who caught the ball -- score a TD *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 12:10:05 AM 399 Views
Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM 741 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 384 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 934 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 401 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 699 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 904 Views
Now I really want to see this play. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 898 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 806 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 736 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 877 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 807 Views
The last call was a joke. Orange - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 756 Views
You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs Larry - 25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM 813 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year Cannoli - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 840 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... moondog - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 785 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 791 Views
he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM 374 Views
Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM 763 Views
They can't reverse that call. Aemon - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 865 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete moondog - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 843 Views
It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete. Aemon - 25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM 758 Views
my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes moondog - 26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM 732 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 509 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 417 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 382 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... Nate - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 758 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 389 Views
I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM 781 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 702 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 799 Views
As a Seahawks fan. Stephen - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 751 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* Palatine - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 365 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 353 Views
Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this. Stephen - 25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM 718 Views
She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM 740 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 848 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 652 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? moondog - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1084 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1084 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 759 Views
Think so, yeah. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 885 Views
from another angle -- pun intended moondog - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 757 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? Joel - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 936 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* moondog - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 985 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. Joel - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 797 Views
did you even read that article??? moondog - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 803 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." Joel - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1107 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong moondog - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 887 Views
That is not an argument. Joel - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 700 Views
Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM 755 Views
yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM 389 Views
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