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Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM
tate says he did not push off. we see how much *his* word is worth as well :rolleyes:

Shields lost his footing and went down, which makes it look worse than it was, but the contact only occurred because Shields moved into Tate as the latter prepared to catch the ball. No one who moves into another player who is looking for the ball will get a PI call in their favor, whether they go fall or not.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 772 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 946 Views
Link? Clip? Joel - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 923 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 560 Views
Here's a link. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 994 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 813 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 1049 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 1001 Views
youtube link Orange - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 1044 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. Joel - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 893 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened moondog - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1174 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1497 Views
watch a better replay if you can moondog - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 952 Views
Have now; still not convinced. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 1015 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong moondog - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 1014 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* Joel - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 962 Views
also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip moondog - 25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM 986 Views
Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM 921 Views
watch a better replay and get back to me on this one. moondog - 26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM 973 Views
Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that? Joel - 26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM 1072 Views
in their official response to the whole incident....? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM 1193 Views
Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM 983 Views
Yeah, if one hand counts as possession Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM 981 Views
new rule: catch the guy who caught the ball -- score a TD *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 12:10:05 AM 482 Views
Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM 919 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 459 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 1106 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 478 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 870 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 1091 Views
Now I really want to see this play. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 1099 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 1006 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 929 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 1103 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 1002 Views
The last call was a joke. Orange - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 958 Views
You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs Larry - 25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM 1021 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year Cannoli - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 1005 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... moondog - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 963 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 960 Views
he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM 455 Views
Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM 932 Views
They can't reverse that call. Aemon - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 1041 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete moondog - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 1036 Views
It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete. Aemon - 25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM 937 Views
my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes moondog - 26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM 897 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 583 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 499 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 478 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... Nate - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 916 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 475 Views
I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM 956 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 891 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 970 Views
As a Seahawks fan. Stephen - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 918 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* Palatine - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 451 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 433 Views
Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this. Stephen - 25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM 910 Views
She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM 935 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 1032 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 836 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? moondog - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1265 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1274 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 963 Views
Think so, yeah. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 1094 Views
from another angle -- pun intended moondog - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 930 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? Joel - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 1130 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* moondog - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1158 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. Joel - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 962 Views
did you even read that article??? moondog - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 987 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." Joel - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1510 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong moondog - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 1078 Views
That is not an argument. Joel - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 883 Views
Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM 937 Views
yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM 471 Views
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