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you sure you saw the right replay? moondog Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM

It was not a strip IF possession was simultaneous, obviously (because Tate always had possession, so there was no need for a strip.) However, even IF Jennings had indisputable sole possession, THEN we would be forced to consider whether he was ever down before Tate got the ball away, and I am not sure he was.

Between the two it is impossible to call that an unambiguous interception, and we are also speaking with the benefit of slow-mo replays the refs on the field did not have. In their place, based on what I saw in real time on the field, I would have made the same call, and this is one of those cases where a call—ANY call, be it Int or TD—is impossible to overturn once made, because no replay provides the necessary incontrovertible evidence. Many people (and I am not saying you are among them) have the mistaken idea bad calls do not matter as much now because they can be fixed on replay, but since replay reversal requires incontrovertible evidence, that is simply not the case.


once again, tate never had full possession of the ball. there is one angle where you can see him change his grip as they are falling together. there is no way it is a simultaneous catch.

but IF it was a strip, then jennings has possession the whole way. even in the pic posted above, jennings CLEARLY has possession of the ball on the ground AS THE REFS ARE LOOKING AT HIM. how you could possibly call that for the seahawks is beyond my understanding of football.

also, both refs made opposing calls but never conferred with each other. the head ref never conferred with either ref on the spot. the only conference was between the head ref and the upstairs official, and we all know how that turned out. again, everyone but you, cannoli, tate and pete carroll knows the call was incorrect.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 706 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 792 Views
Link? Clip? - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 749 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 467 Views
Here's a link. - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 849 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 666 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 896 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 853 Views
youtube link - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 870 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 751 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1017 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1357 Views
watch a better replay if you can - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 815 Views
Have now; still not convinced. - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 860 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 871 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 812 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 396 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 965 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 414 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 730 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 936 Views
Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 944 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 850 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 771 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 917 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 850 Views
The last call was a joke. - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 804 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 870 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 816 Views
They can't reverse that call. - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 900 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 879 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 525 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 430 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 395 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 788 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 401 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 738 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 829 Views
As a Seahawks fan. - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 784 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 378 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 365 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 883 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 684 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1116 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1117 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 792 Views
Think so, yeah. - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 948 Views
from another angle -- pun intended - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 787 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 978 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1017 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 832 Views
did you even read that article??? - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 835 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1197 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 929 Views
That is not an argument. - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 733 Views

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