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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
Before you get up in arms and think that I am trying to argue that legalizing gay marriage will lead to a slippery slope (polygamy, people marrying animals or kids, etc...), that is not my point. I am not trying to argue against gay marriage. I really want to get a sampling of opinions. Should polygamy be illegal? If not, why? If so, why?

It should not, primarily (though not solely) for the above stated reason. Whether marriage itself is a right or privilege is irrelevant to the Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause; the law must sanction all or no marriages between consenting adults, because it can neither be restricted to nor exclude any one group.

For a little devil's advocacy and to get your hearts appropriately bleeding, let's say a loving muslim family (I almost said couple, then I almost said threesome hehe) of one man and his two wives comes from Saudi Arabia to live in the US. Only they find that they cannot remain legally married here due to our anti-polygamy laws, and to their horror at least one of the loving soul mates must leave the marriage. All three are devastated. Assume they wouldn't be prohibited from entering the US in the first place.

And please don't say it should be illegal because the supreme court has already ruled on it. If laws banning gay marriage had come before SCOTUS like polygamy did in the 1800s they would have upheld those too.

The reason this question is not directed to opponents of gay marriage is because I think I already know what they all would say anyway.

We cannot assume they would not be barred from entry in the first place, because they would: Section 212a10 of the Immigration and Nationality Act specifically states, "Practicing polygamists.-Any immigrant who is coming to the United States to practice polygamy is inadmissible."

I wish those debating this made more effort to distinguish marriage as religious rite from marriage as legal contract, because the First Amendment bars any government role in the former. "Civil unions" should be the sole legally recognized marriage available to anyone (and thus everyone, via the Equal Protection Clause.) Religious rites may or may not go further at the discretion of those involved, but that cannot include government, which the Constitution bars from establishing religion.

As religion, it is none of governments business how we choose to worship (or not;) government can no more regulate marriage than communion, baptism or any religious rite. As law, "no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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This message last edited by Joel on 22/10/2012 at 03:18:55 PM
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy? - 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM 1483 Views
Legal rights. - 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM 876 Views
It almost sounds like you are saying... - 20/10/2012 12:31:40 AM 855 Views
That is what I'm saying it. - 20/10/2012 01:07:50 AM 839 Views
Technically, privileges, not rights. - 20/10/2012 04:16:45 AM 836 Views
Sure - 20/10/2012 12:35:53 AM 765 Views
All for it... For adults over the age of 18. *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:18:04 AM 520 Views
What about it? - 20/10/2012 01:21:17 AM 827 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:51:25 AM 557 Views
+2 *NM* - 20/10/2012 11:18:39 AM 425 Views
should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM 426 Views
poly people? - 20/10/2012 12:44:01 PM 870 Views
Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM 413 Views
That's a huge chunk of what government does. - 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM 810 Views
That's not what I'm saying - 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM 827 Views
So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM 776 Views
Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence.. - 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM 847 Views
Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid. - 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM 768 Views
The more fool you. - 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM 866 Views
Ha! Point. *NM* - 20/10/2012 05:40:34 AM 695 Views
Marriage is always a choice, whatever the motive(s.) - 22/10/2012 04:00:40 PM 804 Views
I got no opinion on it. - 20/10/2012 12:51:43 PM 894 Views
The idea of a group marriage makes me uncomfortable - 20/10/2012 04:19:48 PM 776 Views
As long as it is equitable - 20/10/2012 05:55:57 PM 769 Views
The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway - 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM 839 Views
Indeed - 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM 904 Views
I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business. - 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM 1178 Views
And so? - 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM 804 Views
Re: And so? - 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM 986 Views
Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM 862 Views
You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed. - 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM 779 Views
Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government. - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM 714 Views
Much less force, yes. - 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM 721 Views
The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." - 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM 791 Views
+1 *NM* - 23/10/2012 07:36:46 PM 359 Views
No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same... - 23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM 690 Views
Analogy is not equality, only similarity. - 24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM 895 Views
We aren't asking for something better or different. - 23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM 778 Views
yeah, it is very circular. - 23/10/2012 07:44:33 PM 828 Views

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