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I hope you like black and white. nossy Send a noteboard - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM

You're apparently stuck there. Again, you didn't respond to any specific point.

HUGE difference between never speaking up for something and not quite meeting your standards. And to expect any other group of people to have only been violent when Christians were in the same phase is completely obtuse.

This message last edited by nossy on 23/05/2013 at 09:55:04 PM
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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2521 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 709 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 613 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 692 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1057 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. Hieshyn - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1118 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 639 Views
FALSE! Dannymac - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1153 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1113 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1260 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1121 Views
...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM 716 Views
Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role. HyogaRott - 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM 1135 Views
Net result: All of God's children can enter into Heaven. Hieshyn - 30/05/2013 05:26:20 PM 1322 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1418 Views
Ok....and? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 978 Views
You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM* Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM 641 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 675 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1052 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 725 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1133 Views
LOL. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1057 Views
Violence.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1039 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 903 Views
You are something... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 987 Views
We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM 706 Views
To be fair, that is a good journey to make. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:51:17 AM 1043 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 671 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 967 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1068 Views
Yes. nossy - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1012 Views
Re: Yes. Isaac - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1035 Views
Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM 1273 Views
You know better than that. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1021 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion Isaac - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1134 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 625 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way Isaac - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 987 Views
... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 657 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* Isaac - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 615 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. Cannoli - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1015 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry snoopcester - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 956 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1102 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. Nebhead - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1031 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1033 Views
Your argument is logically flawed Tom - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1107 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1138 Views
No, it actaully does not. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1120 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up Nighthawk - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 917 Views
Exactly HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1050 Views
Couple of things nossy - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1335 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1233 Views
Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support." nossy - 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM 998 Views
There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM 949 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1059 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... Isaac - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1026 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1065 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 929 Views
That's a shame. Legolas - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 868 Views
Re: That's a shame. Isaac - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 971 Views
Re: That's a shame. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 880 Views
Sure, I'll bite. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1032 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 975 Views
I hope you like black and white. nossy - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 920 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 975 Views
I think I must have confused you. nossy - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 890 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 989 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 999 Views
Yawn. Bored now. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 929 Views
whatever *NM* HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 575 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? Joel - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1228 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1122 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here Tom - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1312 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 913 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. Tom - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1031 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 999 Views
Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM 1149 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1152 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* ironclad - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 569 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 626 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1112 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 999 Views
The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM 947 Views
Oh, so its our fault... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1022 Views
It's always our fault *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 756 Views
In general, I agree nossy - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1145 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 987 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 693 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1084 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 935 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1118 Views
Exactly. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1052 Views
Hyperbole? nossy - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 870 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1133 Views
No, I really don't think so. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 933 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 928 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. Legolas - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1099 Views
It's accurate. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 637 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. nossy - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 987 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1106 Views
Hm nossy - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1080 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1057 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1052 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 632 Views
No ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1073 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1043 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1005 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 649 Views
I already knew ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 968 Views
Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM 1065 Views
No. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 985 Views
Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM 1007 Views
Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM 911 Views
What a load of bullshit. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1000 Views
I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM 1016 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1152 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers random thoughts - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1130 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. Legolas - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 967 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1068 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* Legolas - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 606 Views
No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM 1003 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1016 Views
Well yes. nossy - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 967 Views
I would prefer to say that random thoughts - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1174 Views
Of course you would. nossy - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1063 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1134 Views
Ok. nossy - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1133 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1354 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1233 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. snoopcester - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1079 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? ßelals Girl - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1069 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 670 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 595 Views
Statistically snoopcester - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1128 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1118 Views
Hardly any snoopcester - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1242 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 582 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 943 Views
"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM 923 Views
I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark Isaac - 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM 961 Views
I think probably not. nossy - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1020 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 594 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 591 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 576 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 939 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 630 Views
Yes, he did. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 986 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 614 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 930 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. nossy - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1072 Views
You mean like this? Larry - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1115 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid random thoughts - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 954 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 621 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such Larry - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1039 Views
Yes it does. Anonymous2000 - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1036 Views
*sigh* Larry - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 947 Views
I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM 643 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 918 Views
no but they do tell a story random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 861 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1033 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* Stephen - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 637 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1204 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? dart_board - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 1624 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1046 Views
Just as a little aside Tom - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 965 Views
Ever helpful. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1139 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 1525 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1113 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 1557 Views
I'm having warm feelings. nossy - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1114 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. dart_board - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1417 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " Joel - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1331 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* Dan - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 841 Views
How much did you miss it, really? Joel - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1032 Views
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