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All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn Send a noteboard - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM

It grants those who are truly repentent of their sins entrance into his Father's house. It doesn't change the laws his Father set down upon us. Nowhere in the New Testament does it repeal God's stance on slavery, sacrifice, or marriage. Those things were changed by man over the course of time, not by Jesus.

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2519 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 708 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 612 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 691 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1056 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. Hieshyn - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1117 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 638 Views
FALSE! Dannymac - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1152 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1112 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1260 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1120 Views
...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM 715 Views
Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role. HyogaRott - 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM 1135 Views
Net result: All of God's children can enter into Heaven. Hieshyn - 30/05/2013 05:26:20 PM 1320 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1417 Views
Ok....and? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 976 Views
You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM* Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM 640 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 674 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1052 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 724 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1132 Views
LOL. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1055 Views
Violence.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1037 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 901 Views
You are something... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 986 Views
We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM 705 Views
To be fair, that is a good journey to make. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:51:17 AM 1042 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 670 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 967 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1065 Views
Yes. nossy - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1011 Views
Re: Yes. Isaac - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1034 Views
Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM 1272 Views
You know better than that. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1020 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion Isaac - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1133 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 624 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way Isaac - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 986 Views
... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 656 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* Isaac - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 614 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. Cannoli - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1014 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry snoopcester - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 956 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1101 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. Nebhead - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1030 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1032 Views
Your argument is logically flawed Tom - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1106 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1137 Views
No, it actaully does not. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1119 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up Nighthawk - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 915 Views
Exactly HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1049 Views
Couple of things nossy - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1330 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1233 Views
Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support." nossy - 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM 997 Views
There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM 948 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1058 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... Isaac - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1023 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1064 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 927 Views
That's a shame. Legolas - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 866 Views
Re: That's a shame. Isaac - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 970 Views
Re: That's a shame. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 879 Views
Sure, I'll bite. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1030 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 974 Views
I hope you like black and white. nossy - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 919 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 974 Views
I think I must have confused you. nossy - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 890 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 988 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 999 Views
Yawn. Bored now. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 928 Views
whatever *NM* HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 574 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? Joel - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1226 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1121 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here Tom - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1308 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 912 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. Tom - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1031 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 996 Views
Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM 1149 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1151 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* ironclad - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 568 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 625 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1111 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 998 Views
The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM 945 Views
Oh, so its our fault... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1021 Views
It's always our fault *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 755 Views
In general, I agree nossy - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1142 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 986 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 692 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1082 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 933 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1117 Views
Exactly. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1051 Views
Hyperbole? nossy - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 869 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1132 Views
No, I really don't think so. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 932 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 928 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. Legolas - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1098 Views
It's accurate. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 636 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. nossy - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 986 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1105 Views
Hm nossy - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1080 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1055 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1051 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 631 Views
No ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1072 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1041 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1005 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 648 Views
I already knew ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 967 Views
Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM 1065 Views
No. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 984 Views
Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM 1007 Views
Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM 911 Views
What a load of bullshit. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1000 Views
I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM 1016 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1150 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers random thoughts - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1128 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. Legolas - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 966 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1067 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* Legolas - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 605 Views
No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM 1002 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1014 Views
Well yes. nossy - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 965 Views
I would prefer to say that random thoughts - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1172 Views
Of course you would. nossy - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1062 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1133 Views
Ok. nossy - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1131 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1353 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1232 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. snoopcester - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1078 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? ßelals Girl - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1068 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 669 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 594 Views
Statistically snoopcester - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1128 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1116 Views
Hardly any snoopcester - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1242 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 581 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 942 Views
"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM 922 Views
I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark Isaac - 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM 960 Views
I think probably not. nossy - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1019 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 593 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 590 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 576 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 938 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 629 Views
Yes, he did. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 985 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 614 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 929 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. nossy - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1071 Views
You mean like this? Larry - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1114 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid random thoughts - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 952 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 620 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such Larry - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1038 Views
Yes it does. Anonymous2000 - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1036 Views
*sigh* Larry - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 946 Views
I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM 642 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 917 Views
no but they do tell a story random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 859 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1030 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* Stephen - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 636 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1202 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? dart_board - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 1624 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1045 Views
Just as a little aside Tom - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 964 Views
Ever helpful. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1138 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 1523 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1112 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 1557 Views
I'm having warm feelings. nossy - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1113 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. dart_board - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1417 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " Joel - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1331 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* Dan - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 839 Views
How much did you miss it, really? Joel - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1031 Views
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