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Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM
Granted, I'm considered rather left-wing by Norwegian standards, which probably makes me a communist by American standards, but I would still like to understand what people see as the problem with ObamaCare.

As I see it, the money to pay for hospitals etc. must come from the people. In Norway, that happens through taxes. People pay taxes to the government, the government gives the money to the hospitals (which are owned by the government). The way I understand it, in America those who can afford it give money to an insurance company, which then probably keeps some fraction of it for themselves, and hand the rest on to hospitals as their clients receive treatment.

I am simply unable to understand why it is seen as a good idea to involve private insurance companies, who are presumably looking to make a profit, into one of the most essential functions in a country.

I'm not deliberately trying to be difficult here, I just don't understand it, and I'd be happy if anyone could explain.


See, here is the problem. People don't want to pay taxes. They want cake but don't want to pay for the god damn ingredients. They're greedy, fucking bastards. And it doesn't matter that the way things have been done here have led us to our lowest point perhaps ever. We've still been doing things right over here. This is just a fluke.

Thats our problem here in America. We're greedy as all hell. BTW, not involving greedy private insurance companies is barbaric.

A third reason is any type of universal care here that is funded by taxes is looked upon as "forced charity". Now, charity in this country is a status thing. It is not about helping others. It's about making ourselves look better. If we're forced to do it by paying taxes that help others receive the same or similar health coverage as ourselves, then we've been tricked, gosh darn it. We're being taken advantage of! It simply can't be allowed.

Your mom. That's right. The cat is out of the bag. Your mom.

My mind isn't always in the gutter, it just has VIP access
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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! Tom - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1755 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 582 Views
Wait...you only voted once? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 993 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 1132 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 972 Views
*dances with you* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 1000 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 598 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 531 Views
Don't jinx it Isaac - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 1099 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 1026 Views
i predict that political predictions are not always so cut and dried moondog - 21/01/2010 01:50:23 AM 1044 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 1066 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 1126 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 1018 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 1025 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. Tom - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 1009 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 997 Views
They can, theoretically. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 995 Views
*does a cartwheel* ßelals Girl - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 1122 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 1048 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 1017 Views
indeed Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 1086 Views
Seriously?? Brian - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 1124 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". Tom - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 1075 Views
agreed... *NM* Dominic - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 655 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 612 Views
Celebrate good times come on! trzaska2000 - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 981 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate Larry - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 1150 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 1040 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! Larry - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 985 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! everynametaken - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 1124 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 1042 Views
I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM 1198 Views
just wondering.... moondog - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 1046 Views
Well lucky you Roland00 - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 1067 Views
I don't understand this Tor - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1480 Views
Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 1167 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 1072 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 1055 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 564 Views
I think.... Elaine - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 1097 Views
There are a lot of reasons Tom - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 1048 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* Aemon - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 688 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Macharius - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 1060 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 564 Views
Groaning under illegal immigrants? Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:38:23 PM 1133 Views
Right...you just go back to what you know, though I'm not sure anyone has determined what that is. Tom - 20/01/2010 03:49:22 PM 1055 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Maria - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 1091 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 1272 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. Palatine - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 1132 Views
Re: I don't understand this Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 1043 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 557 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 538 Views
Beginning? *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 508 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 518 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 516 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 1024 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown Tom - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 1061 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 529 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 565 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 548 Views
Agreed. *NM* Gher - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 545 Views
And then what will happen after that? Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 1208 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. Tom - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 871 Views
That's kind of ironic... Legolas - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 1197 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? Ryan - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 1055 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 946 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 1052 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 552 Views
Oh dear. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 1100 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 999 Views
Democrats want the terrorists to win, and enjoy killing babies. beckstcw - 20/01/2010 02:59:35 PM 1005 Views
Democrats don't just enjoy killing babies. They're not monsters. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:46:59 PM 1037 Views
As a matter of fact, some babies are put back into the womb, just so they can be aborted again. *NM* beckstcw - 22/01/2010 05:10:35 AM 620 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 598 Views
Well, the more elderly that die, the better chance Social Security will be saved. *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:44:57 PM 545 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 755 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 1069 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin random thoughts - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 1076 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trzaska2000 - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 1071 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 991 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation Roland00 - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 1192 Views
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