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There are a lot of reasons Tom Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM
First and foremost, government control of anything is viewed with extreme suspicion in the United States. Government control can (and, in the United States, usually does) lead to attempts by the government to regulate peoples' lives.

As a result, if we were to have government involved in health care, it would likely lead to yet more penalties for people who smoke, drink, or (based on recent attempts at legislation) drink soft drinks. I personally don't want the government telling me what I can do in the privacy of my own home. America was founded on the concept of "that government is best which governs least".

Furthermore, as Legolas said, Europeans seem to think ObamaCare is an attempt to implement government-run socialised medicine in the United States. It is not. Traditionally, one can have two systems for health care:

1. A free market system where doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and the insured all seek maximum benefit at minimum cost

OR

2. A government-run system where all costs are handled through taxation and government fiat.

The United States evolved along the free market path. Theoretically, if we did truly have a "free market" system it would work. Insurance companies would compete with one another to provide better benefits at better rates, hospitals would compete and doctors would compete.

Unfortunately, runaway malpractice litigation makes doctors have to pay too much in malpractice insurance and legal judgments, and as a result they get squeezed by insurance companies and hospitals. Hospitals are groaning under the rampant use of emergency rooms by illegal immigrants (as emergency rooms cannot refuse anyone who walks in) who then leave and never pay (usually because they can't even be found) and as a result they increase costs for everyone else. Insurance companies refuse coverage to people who will be considered risks to avoid getting squeezed like everyone else.

So...enter ObamaCare. ObamaCare (depending on whether you're looking at the House or Senate versions of the bill) is now saying that people will have to get insurance and may have to pay a fine if they don't have insurance. Does this solve any of the above problems? No. In fact, it makes it likely that insurance will be slightly more expensive because insurers will know people can't just say "no" and walk away. It does (in the House bill only) force insurers to take people even if they have pre-existing conditions (which, as we know, can range from being pregnant to having advanced lung cancer or full-blown AIDS). Is that going to make insurance less expensive? I'll let you decide since the answer's pretty obvious. Both bills try to use the flawed model of Medicare as a basis for future regulation, at a time when Medicare fraud is costing the government billions of dollars. Neither bill addresses the issue of illegals or the skyrocketing cost of medical malpractice. The bill with the "public option" (i.e., government-provided insurance) is actually even worse in many ways because it hurts the insurance companies' ability to negotiate against hospitals for lower costs.

At a time when the United States is facing massive unemployment, lingering economic problems and a burgeoning deficit, a bill that forces employers and individuals to pay even more money as the result of a new government program is the sort of thing that would hurt our economy even further.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1690 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 557 Views
Wait...you only voted once? - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 912 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 1066 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 907 Views
*dances with you* - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 934 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 565 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 498 Views
Don't jinx it - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 1032 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 952 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 999 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 1059 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 956 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 956 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 952 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 929 Views
They can, theoretically. - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 940 Views
*does a cartwheel* - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 1055 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 978 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 955 Views
indeed - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 1022 Views
Seriously?? - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 1059 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 1004 Views
agreed... *NM* - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 618 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 579 Views
Celebrate good times come on! - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 917 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 1086 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 972 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 917 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 1054 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 953 Views
just wondering.... - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 981 Views
Well lucky you - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 1007 Views
I don't understand this - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1409 Views
Re: I don't understand this - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 1097 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 1015 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 983 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 533 Views
I think.... - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 1004 Views
There are a lot of reasons - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 989 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 656 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 1001 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 530 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 1024 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 1209 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 1066 Views
Re: I don't understand this - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 976 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 526 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 506 Views
Beginning? *NM* - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 478 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 486 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 479 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 963 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 999 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 500 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 537 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 517 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 505 Views
And then what will happen after that? - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 1151 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 798 Views
That's kind of ironic... - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 1118 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 975 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 891 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 992 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 515 Views
Oh dear. - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 1039 Views
Bah! - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 924 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 562 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 727 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 994 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 1005 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 999 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 921 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 1104 Views

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