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Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM
First and foremost, government control of anything is viewed with extreme suspicion in the United States. Government control can (and, in the United States, usually does) lead to attempts by the government to regulate peoples' lives.


You mean like, umm let's see...

The roads, the sewers, all utilities, the education system, the military, the police etc. etc. etc.

There are a great many things that Americans accept as government controlled simply because they are used to it. All of those things could be described as 'socialized' in either a direct or an indirect fashion. All of them function under government mandate, government regulations and often with government grants and support (hidden or no).

As to the comment about 'government fiat' you know - I think I'd rather have government fiat than 'Board of Directors fiat' or, more likely 'Some yutz of a middle manager fiat'.

At least the government is, in theory and in some fashion even if badly, answerable to the people. I wouldn't trust a modern insurance company with my life as far as I could throw their overpriced headquarters buildings.

However, that said, you're a very very smart guy and I generally agree with you more than I don't. How would you reform the Health care system? If you had Tom fiat and could do whatever you wanted.
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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! Tom - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1780 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 595 Views
Wait...you only voted once? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 1020 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 1162 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 1003 Views
*dances with you* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 1033 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 613 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 549 Views
Don't jinx it Isaac - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 1128 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 1058 Views
i predict that political predictions are not always so cut and dried moondog - 21/01/2010 01:50:23 AM 1080 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 1094 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 1162 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 1050 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 1053 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. Tom - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 1041 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 1031 Views
They can, theoretically. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 1024 Views
*does a cartwheel* ßelals Girl - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 1154 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 1087 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 1050 Views
indeed Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 1112 Views
Seriously?? Brian - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 1159 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". Tom - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 1117 Views
agreed... *NM* Dominic - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 671 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 623 Views
Celebrate good times come on! trzaska2000 - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 1017 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate Larry - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 1190 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 1087 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! Larry - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 1021 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! everynametaken - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 1154 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 1066 Views
I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM 1234 Views
just wondering.... moondog - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 1089 Views
Well lucky you Roland00 - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 1096 Views
I don't understand this Tor - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1516 Views
Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 1202 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 1102 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 1085 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 577 Views
I think.... Elaine - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 1129 Views
There are a lot of reasons Tom - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 1098 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* Aemon - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 702 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Macharius - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 1098 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 577 Views
Groaning under illegal immigrants? Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:38:23 PM 1167 Views
Right...you just go back to what you know, though I'm not sure anyone has determined what that is. Tom - 20/01/2010 03:49:22 PM 1091 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Maria - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 1125 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 1305 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. Palatine - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 1169 Views
Re: I don't understand this Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 1082 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 571 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 552 Views
Beginning? *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 519 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 530 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 535 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 1056 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown Tom - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 1086 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 542 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 585 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 565 Views
Agreed. *NM* Gher - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 561 Views
And then what will happen after that? Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 1231 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. Tom - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 895 Views
That's kind of ironic... Legolas - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 1234 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? Ryan - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 1097 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 985 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 1077 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 566 Views
Oh dear. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 1126 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 1035 Views
Democrats want the terrorists to win, and enjoy killing babies. beckstcw - 20/01/2010 02:59:35 PM 1034 Views
Democrats don't just enjoy killing babies. They're not monsters. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:46:59 PM 1072 Views
As a matter of fact, some babies are put back into the womb, just so they can be aborted again. *NM* beckstcw - 22/01/2010 05:10:35 AM 636 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 617 Views
Well, the more elderly that die, the better chance Social Security will be saved. *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:44:57 PM 561 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 771 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 1101 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin random thoughts - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 1108 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trzaska2000 - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 1101 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 1019 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation Roland00 - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 1224 Views
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