That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living.
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM
FYI - come live in central NJ. My wife and I make more than $250k and we live well, but I doubt no where near you think we do. Add one or two kids to the pile.....wife stops working or we start using day care.....our extra monthly money goes bye-bye very quickly.
I despise class warfare.....I did everything right, worked my ass off in college and business school, took chances, and you know what, I am very good at my job.....better than almost anyone else.
40% of Americans don't pay ANY INCOME taxes.....and I am not paying my fair share? Care to comment on this?
I despise class warfare.....I did everything right, worked my ass off in college and business school, took chances, and you know what, I am very good at my job.....better than almost anyone else.
40% of Americans don't pay ANY INCOME taxes.....and I am not paying my fair share? Care to comment on this?
That's one of the reasons we have progressive taxation, after all, and I'm told it's far less progressive than in Canada, just as an example. To elaborate, and this is second hand, I'm told that up there the rate of taxation varies not only with overall income, but on which part of it is being taxed, meaning that the highest rates are only assessed against that part of income that's above the particular threshold. It's more complicated, but I think it may also be more fair, because, rather than paying (just hypothetically) 50% of your $250k in taxes, you'd pay a lower rate on most of it and only pay 50% on, say, the $50k you earn above a $200k threshhold for 50%.
Honestly, given inflation over the past 30 years I think $250k is too low a threshold for the highest earners. I'd assess the highest taxes on those who are independently wealthy, which you certainly aren't. Turn it around: Why should you pay the same (or, in many cases, far less) tax as someone whose most onerous duty is opening interest statements on money inherited from their great-grandfather? And the same principle applies to the middle class in general: Every loophole, every tax shelter, every write off for the independently and opulently wealthy is another dollar out of middle and lower class pockets, either in the form of reduced services or higher taxes.
But, for the record, I despise class warfare, too, and the thing I despise most about it is that, as Warren Buffet famously said, his class is winning. It's only when that status quo is threatened that we hear about the horrors of class warfare, but it's being waged every day.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare
- 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM
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I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. "
- 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM
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The US will never work with socialism.
- 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM
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Re: The US will never work with socialism.
- 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM
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I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown
- 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM
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It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think.
- 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM
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I would say it's grown with the government
- 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM
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The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives.
- 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM
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Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown
- 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM
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How much more can we really tax the wealthy??
- 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM
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A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did.
- 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM
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I hear a lot of socialism coming from you.....
- 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM
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Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you.....
- 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM
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Nice non-answer answer.....
- 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM
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You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have.
- 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM
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Here are some facts and analyses.....
- 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM
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The Heritage Foundation, huh?
- 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM
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- 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM
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The non-working wealthy? Please quantify.....
- 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM
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So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade
- 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM
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You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin.
- 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM
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Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin.
- 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM
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Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts
- 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM
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And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...?
- 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM
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It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN.
- 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM
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Well, look at this way:
- 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM
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That's not a solution.
- 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM
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The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison.
- 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM
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Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory.
- 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM
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Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR
- 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM
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Ever heard of the 20-80 rule?
- 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM
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Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM*
- 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM
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That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation.
- 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM
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What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income?
- 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM
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That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living.
- 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM
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Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes?
- 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM
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To what 40% do you refer?
- 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM
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Dude, you are not making this easy.....
- 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM
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No one "gets money from the IRS. "
- 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM
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Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in.
- 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM
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It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid.
- 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM
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I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in
- 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM
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Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy.
- 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM
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The word I notice is "welfare"
- 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM
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I wouldn't say that's what it means....
- 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM
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It's what welfare means to me...
- 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM
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I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM*
- 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM
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It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed.
- 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM
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It is only for the WORKING poor, yes.
- 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM
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Mean it may be, but hardly illegal.
- 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM
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No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM*
- 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM
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Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC.....
- 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM
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It depends on your level of cynicism
- 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM
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when have they ever cut the fat?
- 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM
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This doesn't make sense to me.
- 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM
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The key phrase is "should be. "
- 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM
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In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is.
- 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM
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As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue.
- 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM
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It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours
- 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM
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For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare.
- 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM
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Correction
- 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM
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Re: Correction
- 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM
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