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You can get by with half a thief, yeah, but it forces you to forego maxing out some thief abilities. Joel Send a noteboard - 10/09/2012 06:47:48 PM
Yoshimo was not bad but, as you note, is only a temporary option. On the other hand, rolling up a straight and a dual/multi-class thief, maxing their stealth and making one a trap specialist while the other handles locks covers all thieving bases quite well. For that matter, if you are only taking a thief under duress, you can do the same thing with two F/Ts and have them both backstabbing with fighter THAC0. Once you have the multi-player party you want there is no reason at all not to just move the game file to the Save folder (or just overwrite completely with the MPSave folder) and go back to single player.

In the vast majority of cases, having half a thief was plenty in my experience. Admittedly, none at all is rather tricky, as Find Traps and Knock only go so far, but once you exchange Yoshimo for Imoen, her limited thieving skills are quite sufficient at least for my purposes. I would expect that even Nalia (as annoying as she is) or Haer'dalis would be sufficient for most purposes, so you can drop Yoshimo.

Depends on how many pockets and locks you want to pick, especially at low level. There are only so many skill points per level, and most go into HiS/MS. Having only one thief forces you to pick and choose whether you want to be useless at picking pockets or opening locks, especially since you also have to sink points into finding traps (although, in practice, finding most traps takes more time than actual skill; if you wait long enough in the area, you should find 80-90% of them with even 30% skill; the others, of course, will kill you dead.) Nalia is a good example; she picks pockets OK, but sucks at everything else, even stealth.
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Baldurs Gate Enhanced Edition: Edit 2 with added video & launch delay - 07/09/2012 09:48:16 PM 3551 Views
!!!!! - 07/09/2012 10:49:47 PM 1957 Views
are they created kindly or cruelly? - 08/09/2012 05:34:36 PM 1948 Views
Lol! Realistically, if exaggerated to heroic levels. - 09/09/2012 07:56:32 PM 1968 Views
I played the hell out of BG2, but only played BG1 once - 08/09/2012 06:07:15 AM 2074 Views
BGI is a lot more fun because a lot more challenging, IMHO. - 08/09/2012 02:33:17 PM 1894 Views
*revelation* - 08/09/2012 05:45:28 PM 1896 Views
fireballs are so epic in BG1 - 08/09/2012 05:41:34 PM 1936 Views
I disagree about it being the only good third level spell;lighting bolt and haste are also excellent - 08/09/2012 06:26:08 PM 2102 Views
Yeah, I loved Lightning Bolt. - 08/09/2012 06:44:59 PM 1844 Views
it was such a liability - 08/09/2012 07:11:36 PM 1958 Views
Bouncing is what makes lightning bolts great, because you get to hit people more than once. - 08/09/2012 08:59:10 PM 1878 Views
There's an unfortunate Wizard in the Firewine Bridge Ruins... - 09/09/2012 12:58:18 AM 1948 Views
Oops. - 09/09/2012 01:43:23 AM 1918 Views
that's why BG1 was so awesome. exploration=rewards - 09/09/2012 09:09:22 AM 1889 Views
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well yeah, because there was no connection to figure out - 08/09/2012 06:59:49 PM 2078 Views
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Agreed. - 11/09/2012 07:01:07 PM 1981 Views
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It is the difference between "what if...?" and "whatever...." - 19/09/2012 10:58:31 PM 2002 Views
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I can't speak for IWD I, but II is okay on the story front so far. - 18/09/2012 06:36:16 PM 1828 Views
Nah, IWD I barely had any story at all. - 18/09/2012 08:16:49 PM 1778 Views
agreed - 19/09/2012 09:42:28 AM 2066 Views
I've still only played about 4 hours of BG1 - 08/09/2012 03:59:49 PM 2008 Views
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agreed the NPCs are half the fun - 08/09/2012 07:02:22 PM 1871 Views
Not having a bunch of potentially useful but AI ruined incompetents constantly fumbling. - 08/09/2012 08:55:53 PM 1950 Views
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True. - 09/09/2012 03:46:24 AM 1887 Views
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there wasn't a good enough thief option in bg2/ToB - 09/09/2012 09:15:21 AM 1795 Views
I noticed that also; another argument for creating a party via MP even if you move it back to SP. - 09/09/2012 11:45:12 PM 1873 Views
storyline man! - 10/09/2012 01:43:51 PM 1901 Views
I make my OWN storyline. - 10/09/2012 06:35:43 PM 1971 Views
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You can get by with half a thief, yeah, but it forces you to forego maxing out some thief abilities. - 10/09/2012 06:47:48 PM 1871 Views
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The stealth skills come in very handy though. - 09/09/2012 04:11:40 PM 1848 Views
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Among many many others. - 17/09/2012 06:45:33 PM 1865 Views

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