Active Users:396 Time:05/05/2024 11:16:57 AM
Really? I see precisely one point which, according to you, is a factual error. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/05/2017 11:41:00 PM

View original post2. Every single person whom I know who has spent appreciable time in that region agrees that there are no ties to artificial nations. One of my friends spent over a year training Iraqi Special Forces. These were people largely from urban backgrounds and they had no sense of national identity but strong ties to clan. It was to clan leaders that we appealed to create the "Sunni Awakening" because going to government officials would be a waste of time. These were people living in Baghdad, Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul and other large cities where you wrongly assert that clan structures haven't played a role in centuries.

Fallujah and Ramadi were hardly the kind of places I had in mind. Baghdad, yes. It's possible I underestimated how much of a role clans still play there, which is the only 'error' I can find that isn't just a different interpretation.
View original post3. The term "Arab world" IS a misnomer. These people speak various languages that we call "Arabic" because they are descended from the Classical Arabic spoken by the tiny numbers of invaders who were demographically swallowed up into existing Egyptian, Berber, Assyrian, Syrian, Phoenician, Babylonian and Yemeni populations. However, you know well that a Moroccan would have problems communicating with an Iraqi, and although Egyptians tend to understand other dialects, people from other dialects often have problems with Egyptian Arabic.

... so? If you're just trying to point out that calling Arabic a single language is debatable, and to some extent a politically motivated fiction, or that the notion of pan-Arabism hasn't been all that successful politically, I'd agree with both of those. But the term 'Arab world', by analogy with other 'worlds' that are often discussed, doesn't imply more than a shared dominant culture and/or language group, which is obviously accurate. It might be a different story if we talked about a term implying a greater degree of unity, like 'Pan-Arabia' or something. On the demographics, see below.

And as for the old civilizations you mention - some of their cultures survive in a way through minority groups in the 'Arab world', but today, whatever the genetic numbers say, in terms of identity, culture, language, religion, the Berbers are the only ones who even come close to having the numbers to contest the Arabic cultural and linguistic dominance over their respective countries.

View original postIt's nothing like the situation in Russia, either. Ethnic Russians ended up colonizing Siberia and over 90% of the population of Siberia is ethnically Russian or Ukrainian. There are hardly any indigenous peoples because they were never populous to begin with and have historically low birth rates, so Russians completely overwhelmed them demographically. There are perhaps 2 million indigenous peoples out of a population in excess of 30 million. It's the exact OPPOSITE of the Arab invasions - Russia would be like the so-called "Arab world" if the indigenous peoples of Siberia had conquered Russia and imposed their language and religion on a huge majority.

Sure, the relative numbers of the conquerors and the conquered are very different. Which is no doubt very important when you're talking about genetics, but I believe we were talking about topics relating to national feeling, to language, to identity. Those aren't necessarily linked much to genetics; a comparatively small group of conquerors can impose its language and culture and identity on a much larger genetically different conquered group, if given enough time, with the final result looking pretty much the same as if it had been a huge number of conquerors imposing themselves.

Reply to message
Terrible thing in Manchester last night. - 23/05/2017 03:34:11 PM 994 Views
Pogroms - 23/05/2017 04:29:06 PM 416 Views
You can't stop psychos from doing psychopathic things. - 23/05/2017 05:40:15 PM 376 Views
I'm not sure i understand. - 23/05/2017 05:54:33 PM 394 Views
That's a quite obtuse answer - 23/05/2017 08:34:20 PM 406 Views
Hiding? - 23/05/2017 08:58:11 PM 441 Views
What do you mean, exactly, by "stop making ourselves targets" then? - 23/05/2017 09:47:43 PM 381 Views
First off, we agree completely on one thing - 23/05/2017 10:51:22 PM 418 Views
What hasn't been consistent about our foreign policy in that region? - 23/05/2017 11:13:57 PM 453 Views
I thought it was obvious that I didn't mean consistently shit. - 23/05/2017 11:36:58 PM 430 Views
It's always about us, then, isn't it? - 24/05/2017 02:34:52 AM 397 Views
For me, it is. - 24/05/2017 07:49:03 AM 398 Views
Don't forget getting an education if you are female *NM* - 23/05/2017 09:38:26 PM 229 Views
They might have a point with that one. I haven't seen much value from it. - 23/05/2017 09:53:19 PM 350 Views
You are going to get rocks thrown at you *NM* - 23/05/2017 10:29:45 PM 201 Views
There aren't many left who would bother. *NM* - 23/05/2017 10:52:14 PM 220 Views
Me and the jihadis - victory by sticking around! *NM* - 24/05/2017 11:11:35 AM 221 Views
Picking a concert that would be mostly teenage girls makes it extra disgusting *NM* - 23/05/2017 09:37:25 PM 219 Views
Not really. It's a logical extension of the whole rationale. - 23/05/2017 09:50:30 PM 430 Views
He said 'extra disgusting'. Not 'less logical'. *NM* - 23/05/2017 10:29:21 PM 235 Views
I am not sure logic applies to the issue. - 23/05/2017 10:41:32 PM 352 Views
I can see that - 24/05/2017 11:47:59 AM 402 Views
It makes me wonder about the attacker - 23/05/2017 11:00:40 PM 396 Views
I wonder about what these people sea in a good who wants this kind of thing - 24/05/2017 05:58:25 PM 382 Views
It really does. That shit makes the blood boil. *NM* - 24/05/2017 05:23:33 PM 241 Views
Isis Shmisis. Daesh is just the end result of the radicalization of many Muslims. - 23/05/2017 11:58:42 PM 373 Views
Blaming the Ottomans, while largely correct, is less satisfying to them. - 24/05/2017 03:21:14 AM 408 Views
There's lots of nationalist feeling, surely. - 24/05/2017 06:48:59 PM 390 Views
Your errors are legion here. - 24/05/2017 10:03:53 PM 378 Views
Really? I see precisely one point which, according to you, is a factual error. - 26/05/2017 11:41:00 PM 408 Views
You're not looking very hard, then - 27/05/2017 03:23:36 PM 466 Views
At this point we're just arguing about perspective, seems to me. - 28/05/2017 07:11:55 PM 525 Views
No, I think that you're missing the point - 28/05/2017 09:49:34 PM 302 Views
Alright, I did miss that point. - 29/05/2017 07:33:36 PM 358 Views
You can't do anything - 24/05/2017 05:00:31 PM 356 Views
Be honest. We both know I am a major hardass and you like it. *NM* - 24/05/2017 05:19:21 PM 198 Views
Oh I do - 25/05/2017 10:27:08 AM 449 Views
My opinion? We (USA) should either bomb ISIS into oblivion or back off and let them kill each other *NM* - 24/05/2017 05:38:37 PM 247 Views
When I see those girl's faces and think about how easily it could be my 11 year old daughter - 24/05/2017 05:53:01 PM 404 Views
I would prefer to annihilate them, if possible, without boots on the ground. - 24/05/2017 06:03:49 PM 357 Views
I admit my reaction is as much emotional as rational but boots may be needed - 24/05/2017 06:37:51 PM 454 Views
Are you serious? - 28/05/2017 09:56:07 PM 312 Views
There is no tool for not allowing citizens back in the country - 29/05/2017 10:11:42 PM 335 Views
Re: There is no tool for not allowing citizens back in the country *NM* - 29/05/2017 10:11:52 PM 221 Views
Wow, talk about mission creep hitting after just one (incoherent) message - 30/05/2017 03:07:46 PM 571 Views
Speak for yourself. - 30/05/2017 06:57:16 PM 394 Views
You have thus argued for the death of education. - 31/05/2017 02:51:11 PM 389 Views
No, I've argued for substance over form. - 31/05/2017 07:07:28 PM 387 Views
Well, fuck you too then - 02/06/2017 01:43:47 AM 558 Views
Tom, he's dyslexic. Stop being a dick. - 02/06/2017 09:37:27 AM 332 Views
I'm such a n00b *NM* - 24/05/2017 06:03:50 PM 212 Views

Reply to Message